en102
Canadian, eh?
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Valencia, CA
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August 15th, @02:29PM
| Lets see...
AT&T can sell:
POTS unlimited for $40/month, add on another $5 for Canada, which comes out to almost $60 after fees/taxes
Uverse Voice (in the few markets that sell it) for $40/month, requiring Uverse TV service ($$$) $40 (or $30) + TV service
CallVantage = $25/month... no AT&T TV, POTS, LD requirements. Just an internet connection.
Of course AT&T is going to stop this service... its not that they're losing money.. its that they're not making as much money.
Basically:
POTS Unlimited: $40 + $5/Canada = $~58/month
Uverse Voice: $30 or $40 + AT&T only Uverse TV = $85 or more
Call Vantage: $25/month + any internet service
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iansltx
join:2007-02-19
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| Of course, CallVantage is similarly priced to "traditional" VoIP providers like Lingo, Vonage, VT, VoicePulse etc. So now if CV is cut off people will just move to other VoIP providers. They certainly won't pony up another $15 per month just to keep a telco brand name. |
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TK Junk Mail
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| said by iansltx  :Of course, CallVantage is similarly priced to "traditional" VoIP providers like Lingo, Vonage, VT, VoicePulse etc. So now if CV is cut off people will just move to other VoIP providers. They certainly won't pony up another $15 per month just to keep a telco brand name. I wouldn't be so sure. Many people have the choice of those same VOIP providers and yet choose to pay MORE for Comcast's CDV Voip product.
Brand names are very powerful and backed by lots of advertising. Many, many people choose the brand name product over a much cheaper generic product all the time.
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letsnot
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| reply to en102
lets not forget that callvantage is a pre merger product. Lots of pre merger products on both sbc and att sides were drastically changed or getting canceled all together.
Callvantage was a dead service long before att decided to stop selling it. Recent FCC E911 mandates made offering of the service much more troublesome. Soon, Uverse voip will be able to be sold without requiring uverse service itself, basically replacing the callvantage type product anyway. |
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dnoyeB
Ferrous Phallus
join:2000-10-09
Southfield, MI | reply to iansltx
Maybe they have plans to start messing around with other peoples VOIP like Comcast used to do. |
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dadkins
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join:2003-09-26
Hercules, CA
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Agreed!
Third party VoIP use the actual HSI connection for the voice service - CDV does not.
Internet can go down, no third party VoIP is going to work - CDV most likely will!
CDV is backed up by battery - my modem is not.
No modem - no HSI - no VoIP/
CDV doesn't need modem or internet.
CDV does work in a power outage.
My choice was for the CDV as opposed to third party VoIP solution.
Yeah, CDV costs more than say AT&T CV or Vonage - it'll work though when *they* will not.
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA | reply to en102
quote:
CallVantage = $25/month... no AT&T TV, POTS, LD requirements. Just an internet connection.
When you're an AT&T wireless/u-verse/dsl customer, CV was $20.
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morbo
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| reply to letsnot
said by letsnot :
Soon, Uverse voip will be able to be sold without requiring uverse service itself, basically replacing the callvantage type product anyway.
let me guess: price will be higher than callvantage? that's not a true replacement. |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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August 15th, @03:27PM
| reply to dadkins
You also don't need to play QoS games for your phone to work reliably. The bandwidth for it is provisioned separately from your HSI.
Your CDV also probably works with data services like faxes and TiVos. CallVantage could do it but requires "special" configuration, and there were warnings about upload bandwidth throttling and poor voice quality on their instructions. Some other VOIP providers can't do it at all.
CDV, and probably even U-verse Voice are more robust services and are priced as such.
For U-verse and AT&T DSL users, at least there was a little comfort in knowing that we stayed completely on AT&T's network to arrive at CallVantage's servers.
I simply don't trust some of the smaller VOIP outfits with my phone number. I don't want another SunRocket. CV may be being retired, but AT&T is a big company, I'm sure if they shut it down completely, we will be migrated off reasonably smoothly. I'm guessing AT&T doesn't want to let a bunch of voice customers just walk away, though. They will probably hang onto us until they can migrate us somewhere else. |
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Chris 313
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| reply to dadkins
said by dadkins :Agreed! Third party VoIP use the actual HSI connection for the voice service - CDV does not. Internet can go down, no third party VoIP is going to work - CDV most likely will! CDV is backed up by battery - my modem is not. No modem - no HSI - no VoIP/ CDV doesn't need modem or internet. CDV does work in a power outage. My choice was for the CDV as opposed to third party VoIP solution. Yeah, CDV costs more than say AT&T CV or Vonage - it'll work though when *they* will not. I definitely agree with that. My previous AT&T VOIP service was good, but if the internet or power died, it died with it.
The price was creeping up. So, I went looking elsewhere and found CDV in a package deal, for only a few cents more then what my bill already said.
With it, I get 7 digit dialing again, battery backup when the power goes out, and working E-911.
To me, that is worth the slightly more money I pay CDV for. If it wouldn't have been CDV, I'd have evaluated my options and balanced features, price and uptimes and went like that.
CDV was the best choice all around and with what AT&T is doing now, it looks like I made the right choice as CallVantage looks to be going bye bye and I'd lose service anyway. |
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priller
join:2000-10-20
Gainesville, VA
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| reply to dadkins
said by dadkins :Internet can go down, no third party VoIP is going to work - CDV most likely will! CDV is backed up by battery - my modem is not. No modem - no HSI - no VoIP/ CDV doesn't need modem or internet. CDV does work in a power outage. Hold the phone! Let's get the facts right.
I have a UPS on my Comcast modem and third-party ATA. When the power goes out, I'm still working.
CDV needs the eMTA ... what do you think that is!!! |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
Valencia, CA
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| said by priller :I have a UPS on my Comcast modem and third-party ATA. When the power goes out, I'm still working. CDV needs the eMTA ... what do you think that is!!! Funny - without CDV availability, Comcast's node and other cable equipment probably wouldn't be battery backed, and you'd be SOL in a power outage anyway!
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priller
join:2000-10-20
Gainesville, VA | HeHeHe  ... That's very true! Thanks Comcast!!!! |
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hottboiinnc
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join:2003-10-15
Toledo, OH | reply to letsnot
very true. but as always lately- Karl has it wrong. ATT started the service to gain customers without having to rely on the actual resell of landlines.
This is an "actual" AT&T product. not AT$T, Inc |
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA
·RoadRunner Cable
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| reply to dadkins
CDV doesn't need a modem ? Where is it 'plugged' in at your house ?
I will have TWC VoIP next week, but I've had VERY good service on Skype for making calls.
CDV is backed up by battery (I'm not very concerned about power outages - I have a car jumpstart kit that runs for ~6-8 hours powering modem + lights)
CDV does work in a power outage (as long as I powered up my modem, I had internet on DSL.. and VoIP)
I do agree that CDV/UverseVoice/TWC is a better overall product with QoS. With the current small VoIP's going belly up, I'll stick with TWC voice (next week after I drop AT&T) for a while.
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to djrobx
During many power outages, DSL worked fine, as long as I powered up the modem (car jumpstart kit + 400W inverter).
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IfIwere
@swbell.net
| reply to morbo
If I were to guess I would say when Uverse voice gets a bring your own broadband option that they will price it closer to what is in the market at that time for similar services. Just a guess but to me that makes sense. I also expect prices of the bundled packages to get better too as more people get on the network and they start to get some ROI. Historically DSL prices did the exact same thing. |
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djrobx
join:2000-05-31
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August 15th, @04:58PM
| reply to en102
Not too surprising for DSL - Unless you're on an RT, there's no active equipment between you and the CO that needs powering. And I assume COs are very well poised to maintain power during a power outage.
RTs are, again, tied to voice services, so those are also surely designed to run during a power outage.
Cable has a lot of active equipment between the end user and the plant that needs powering. I remember back when I had MediaOne (no phone services offered), whenever there was a power outage, there was a predictable amount of time it took for their data services to come back up once power was restored. It was sort of like waiting for their computers to boot-up!
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en102
Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26
Valencia, CA | reply to morbo
Uverse VoIP is already more expensive than traditional VoIP, and is only available bundled, in SOME of the few markets that AT&T offers Uverse (i.e. Not Los Angeles).
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jt4
@comcast.net
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| reply to TK Junk Mail
but comcast cdv does not go thought public internet service. it goes thought there own network.. Comcast has more control over the service then like vonage. comcast cdv has normal 911 service other voip do not. comcast cdv work for alarms or voip dont. so people are paying a little bit more for more feature and benefits |
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