Lets see... in http://www.dslreports.com/forum/r20955932 en Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:52:01 EDT Wed, 11 Nov 2009 14:52:01 EDT Re: Lets see... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20961114 hottboiinnc : and as far as i know TWC does NOT offer battery back-up built in. they did at one time but had a problem and took them all out.

When i lived in Fremont OH my DP never had a backup. and if you didnt have a MOT eMTA you'd have problems with the SAs. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20961114 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 17:51:13 EDT Re: Lets see... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20960296 mod_wastrel : Being a customer is also a form of investment. Customers pour considerably more money into a business than stockholders (are you one perchance?).

I made no claims regarding a rip-off, but I don't care how you look at it: $12billion/yr in profit is excessive no matter how "global" you are, especially for a corporation that continues to raise its rates more so than its competitors.

Fortunately, I'm neither an at&t customer nor an investor.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20960296 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 14:01:10 EDT Re: Lets see... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20960170 GOLFnSUN :
said by mod_wastrel See Profile :

Unfortunately, at&t doesn't think a $12billion/yr profit is enough.
With the HUGE companies that now exist due to globalization, it is NOT the amount of the profit that is relevant. It is the percentage of profit to revenues that determines a businesses worth to stockholders. And claiming a business is ripping off the customers based purely on total profit dollars is naive and mistaken.
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But on the main point, I do think ATT should continue to offer a less expensive VoIP product that comes without the (at least implied) SLA, due to phone traffic being kept separate from internet traffic. I've been using CallVantage on my 3M (then upgraded to 5M, now 7M)/384k upload cable service, and I've never had any complaints. The few glitches I've had have primarily been with dying ATA equipment (I've had 2 of 'em quit on me). ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20959814 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 11:50:08 EDT Re: Lets see... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20959277 TomMac : I do not know about Canada but in the US the Time-Warner cable phone service is not VOIP. It is a proprietary digital phone service. There is a difference.
:hmm:]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20959277 Sat, 16 Aug 2008 08:27:53 EDT Re: Lets see... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20957917 en102 : AT&T must be really hurting for business in Detroit (auto industry is pretty much a dead business around Detroit right now, and its not the most desirable city to live in - HIGH unemployment area)
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Why not just get a wireless plan. AT&T should offer a cheap VOIP service. U-Verse Voice etc etc costs more then wireless or Cable competitors.

AT&T should stick with a reliable VOIP at low prices. They won't, however.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20957564 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 20:15:53 EDT Re: Lets see... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20957333 mod_wastrel : Yep, anyone who gets HSI (with or without CDV) and doesn't use a UPS with their cable modem or eMTA (and, of course, their computer) pretty much deserves what they get when the power goes out.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20957333 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 19:23:22 EDT Re: Lets see... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20957293 djrobx : »detroit.dbusinessnews.com/showne···s=latest
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said by priller See Profile :

said by dadkins See Profile :

Internet can go down, no third party VoIP is going to work - CDV most likely will!

CDV is backed up by battery - my modem is not.
No modem - no HSI - no VoIP/
CDV doesn't need modem or internet.
CDV does work in a power outage.

Hold the phone! Let's get the facts right.

I have a UPS on my Comcast modem and third-party ATA. When the power goes out, I'm still working.

CDV needs the eMTA ... what do you think that is!!!
What do I think it is? An eMTA.
There is no UPS here, the ARIS eMTA has it's own battery - just like my laptops.
The eMTA does NOT power anything else - not even it's own HSI modem!

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The ARRIS is an eMTA(enhanced multimedia terminal adapter).
When a power-outage happens, the "modem" side of it is dead but the phone side works.

CDV does not rely on the HSI to operate and no "modem" is active - no HSI.

Sure, with a UPS, you can probably get the other VoIP services to work, but many/most people with CDV or VoIP services do not have a UPS lighting up... anything.
Last power "interruption" we had, CDV worked fine. :)
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said by djrobx See Profile :

Funny - without CDV availability, Comcast's node and other cable equipment probably wouldn't be battery backed, and you'd be SOL in a power outage anyway!

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I've had battery backups for a long time (just plain good idea for your computer equipment) and the node's had battery backups long before they started offering CDV anywhere. Power can be a tricky thing - you can have power and the neighbors across the street not. Imagine if your Comcast would have always gone out if anywhere between them and you SOMEBODY somewhere didn't have power.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956989 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 18:28:06 EDT Re: Lets see... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956883 mod_wastrel : Of course, CallVantage is/was available in non-at&t/AT&T service areas, so they are/were taking business away from other providers and not from their other telephony products. Why shouldn't they change to just offering it outside their own areas instead of altogether (to avoid competing with their other products; people don't seem to mind paying Comcast $43/mo for CDV just to have a nice, neat little bundle so why should the at&t sheep be any different)?]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956883 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:44:36 EDT Re: Lets see... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956854 anon : but comcast cdv does not go thought public internet service. it goes thought there own network.. Comcast has more control over the service then like vonage. comcast cdv has normal 911 service other voip do not. comcast cdv work for alarms or voip dont. so people are paying a little bit more for more feature and benefits ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956854 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 17:39:00 EDT Re: Lets see... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956849 en102 : Uverse VoIP is already more expensive than traditional VoIP, and is only available bundled, in SOME of the few markets that AT&T offers Uverse (i.e. Not Los Angeles).
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RTs are, again, tied to voice services, so those are also surely designed to run during a power outage.

Cable has a lot of active equipment between the end user and the plant that needs powering. I remember back when I had MediaOne (no phone services offered), whenever there was a power outage, there was a predictable amount of time it took for their data services to come back up once power was restored. It was sort of like waiting for their computers to boot-up!

]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956653 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:52:14 EDT Re: Lets see... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956565 anon : If I were to guess I would say when Uverse voice gets a bring your own broadband option that they will price it closer to what is in the market at that time for similar services. Just a guess but to me that makes sense. I also expect prices of the bundled packages to get better too as more people get on the network and they start to get some ROI. Historically DSL prices did the exact same thing.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956565 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 16:36:45 EDT Re: Lets see... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956443 en102 : During many power outages, DSL worked fine, as long as I powered up the modem (car jumpstart kit + 400W inverter).
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I will have TWC VoIP next week, but I've had VERY good service on Skype for making calls.

CDV is backed up by battery (I'm not very concerned about power outages - I have a car jumpstart kit that runs for ~6-8 hours powering modem + lights)
CDV does work in a power outage (as long as I powered up my modem, I had internet on DSL.. and VoIP)

I do agree that CDV/UverseVoice/TWC is a better overall product with QoS. With the current small VoIP's going belly up, I'll stick with TWC voice (next week after I drop AT&T) for a while.
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This is an "actual" AT&T product. not AT$T, Inc]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956304 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:42:55 EDT Re: Lets see... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956302 priller : HeHeHe :D... That's very true! Thanks Comcast!!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956302 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:42:38 EDT Re: Lets see... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956292 djrobx :
said by priller See Profile :

I have a UPS on my Comcast modem and third-party ATA. When the power goes out, I'm still working.

CDV needs the eMTA ... what do you think that is!!!
Funny - without CDV availability, Comcast's node and other cable equipment probably wouldn't be battery backed, and you'd be SOL in a power outage anyway!

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said by dadkins See Profile :

Internet can go down, no third party VoIP is going to work - CDV most likely will!

CDV is backed up by battery - my modem is not.
No modem - no HSI - no VoIP/
CDV doesn't need modem or internet.
CDV does work in a power outage.

Hold the phone! Let's get the facts right.

I have a UPS on my Comcast modem and third-party ATA. When the power goes out, I'm still working.

CDV needs the eMTA ... what do you think that is!!!]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956247 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:32:22 EDT Re: Lets see... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956211 Chris 313 :
said by dadkins See Profile :

Agreed!
Third party VoIP use the actual HSI connection for the voice service - CDV does not.

Internet can go down, no third party VoIP is going to work - CDV most likely will!

CDV is backed up by battery - my modem is not.
No modem - no HSI - no VoIP/
CDV doesn't need modem or internet.
CDV does work in a power outage.

My choice was for the CDV as opposed to third party VoIP solution.
Yeah, CDV costs more than say AT&T CV or Vonage - it'll work though when *they* will not.
I definitely agree with that. My previous AT&T VOIP service was good, but if the internet or power died, it died with it.

The price was creeping up. So, I went looking elsewhere and found CDV in a package deal, for only a few cents more then what my bill already said.

With it, I get 7 digit dialing again, battery backup when the power goes out, and working E-911.

To me, that is worth the slightly more money I pay CDV for. If it wouldn't have been CDV, I'd have evaluated my options and balanced features, price and uptimes and went like that.

CDV was the best choice all around and with what AT&T is doing now, it looks like I made the right choice as CallVantage looks to be going bye bye and I'd lose service anyway. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956211 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:25:21 EDT Re: Lets see... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956209 djrobx : You also don't need to play QoS games for your phone to work reliably. The bandwidth for it is provisioned separately from your HSI.

Your CDV also probably works with data services like faxes and TiVos. CallVantage could do it but requires "special" configuration, and there were warnings about upload bandwidth throttling and poor voice quality on their instructions. Some other VOIP providers can't do it at all.

CDV, and probably even U-verse Voice are more robust services and are priced as such.

For U-verse and AT&T DSL users, at least there was a little comfort in knowing that we stayed completely on AT&T's network to arrive at CallVantage's servers.

I simply don't trust some of the smaller VOIP outfits with my phone number. I don't want another SunRocket. CV may be being retired, but AT&T is a big company, I'm sure if they shut it down completely, we will be migrated off reasonably smoothly. I'm guessing AT&T doesn't want to let a bunch of voice customers just walk away, though. They will probably hang onto us until they can migrate us somewhere else.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956209 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:25:14 EDT Re: Lets see... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956184 morbo :
said by letsnot :

Soon, Uverse voip will be able to be sold without requiring uverse service itself, basically replacing the callvantage type product anyway.
let me guess: price will be higher than callvantage? that's not a true replacement. ]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956184 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:20:04 EDT Re: Lets see... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956144 djrobx :
quote:
CallVantage = $25/month... no AT&T TV, POTS, LD requirements. Just an internet connection.
When you're an AT&T wireless/u-verse/dsl customer, CV was $20.

-- Rob]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956144 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:14:42 EDT Re: Lets see... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956104 dadkins : Agreed!
Third party VoIP use the actual HSI connection for the voice service - CDV does not.

Internet can go down, no third party VoIP is going to work - CDV most likely will!

CDV is backed up by battery - my modem is not.
No modem - no HSI - no VoIP/
CDV doesn't need modem or internet.
CDV does work in a power outage.

My choice was for the CDV as opposed to third party VoIP solution.
Yeah, CDV costs more than say AT&T CV or Vonage - it'll work though when *they* will not.
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Callvantage was a dead service long before att decided to stop selling it. Recent FCC E911 mandates made offering of the service much more troublesome. Soon, Uverse voip will be able to be sold without requiring uverse service itself, basically replacing the callvantage type product anyway.]]> http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956080 Fri, 15 Aug 2008 15:01:53 EDT Re: Lets see... http://www.dslreports.com/forum/remark,20956031 GOLFnSUN :
said by iansltx See Profile :

Of course, CallVantage is similarly priced to "traditional" VoIP providers like Lingo, Vonage, VT, VoicePulse etc. So now if CV is cut off people will just move to other VoIP providers. They certainly won't pony up another $15 per month just to keep a telco brand name.
I wouldn't be so sure. Many people have the choice of those same VOIP providers and yet choose to pay MORE for Comcast's CDV Voip product.

Brand names are very powerful and backed by lots of advertising. Many, many people choose the brand name product over a much cheaper generic product all the time.
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POTS unlimited for $40/month, add on another $5 for Canada, which comes out to almost $60 after fees/taxes

Uverse Voice (in the few markets that sell it) for $40/month, requiring Uverse TV service ($$$) $40 (or $30) + TV service

CallVantage = $25/month... no AT&T TV, POTS, LD requirements. Just an internet connection.

Of course AT&T is going to stop this service... its not that they're losing money.. its that they're not making as much money.

Basically:
POTS Unlimited: $40 + $5/Canada = $~58/month
Uverse Voice: $30 or $40 + AT&T only Uverse TV = $85 or more
Call Vantage: $25/month + any internet service

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