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Re: " Free Service"
said by Matt  : Again, you're not even trying. Did you even read the whole article before spewing your Anti-WiFi-Anything nonsense? This will be funded by the parking meter fees. Where did you read that? All the article says is that the system uses unused bandwidth from the parking meter system to allow people to surf. Unless that system is self-sustainable (what government program is, if any?), taxpayer money will be going into it for anything from regular maintenance to upgrades.
I don't think he's against "wifi anything", just pointing out that the "free service" is anything but free, unless you don't pay taxes. |
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Matt
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| said by R4M0N :said by Matt : Again, you're not even trying. Did you even read the whole article before spewing your Anti-WiFi-Anything nonsense? This will be funded by the parking meter fees. Where did you read that? All the article says is that the system uses unused bandwidth from the parking meters to allow people to surf. Unless that system is self-sustainable, taxpayer money will be going into it for anything from regular maintenance to upgrades. I don't think he's against "wifi anything", just pointing out that the "free service" is anything but free, unless you don't pay taxes. The service was installed for the parking meters. So it was going to be installed no matter what. They realized they had a ton of unused capacity so they opened it up to the public to see how well it works. If it doesn't work well, they will close it to the public, but the service will remain in place for the parking meters.
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The network was implemented to provide electronic communication for City's new state-of-the-art wireless parking meter pay stations. The high bandwidth capacity of this network allows the City to securely segment excess network bandwidth for the Houston WiFi service.
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R4M0N
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1 edit | said by Matt :The service was installed for the parking meters. So it was going to be installed no matter what. They realized they had a ton of unused capacity so they opened it up to the public to see how well it works. If it doesn't work well, they will close it to the public, but the service will remain in place for the parking meters. That doesn't mean the revenue for the parking meters is enough to pay for the whole system, its upkeep, upgrades and the implementations costs. |
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Matt
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| said by R4M0N :said by Matt :The service was installed for the parking meters. So it was going to be installed no matter what. They realized they had a ton of unused capacity so they opened it up to the public to see how well it works. If it doesn't work well, they will close it to the public, but the service will remain in place for the parking meters. That doesn't mean the revenue for the parking meters is enough to pay for the whole system, its upkeep, upgrades and the implementations costs. I'm sure the $5 million from Earthlink helped. And you're right, it's possible the revenue won't cover it, but that's extremely doubtful. If they determine the usage is too high, they can just close it to the public. At least they are willing to give free access to the public a shot.
Are City governments not allowed to spend their tax revenues? Would you and WiFi4Milez like them to just put it in the bank and never use it?
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| said by Matt :said by R4M0N :said by Matt :The service was installed for the parking meters. So it was going to be installed no matter what. They realized they had a ton of unused capacity so they opened it up to the public to see how well it works. If it doesn't work well, they will close it to the public, but the service will remain in place for the parking meters. That doesn't mean the revenue for the parking meters is enough to pay for the whole system, its upkeep, upgrades and the implementations costs. I'm sure the $5 million from Earthlink helped. And you're right, it's possible the revenue won't cover it, but that's extremely doubtful. If they determine the usage is too high, they can just close it to the public. At least they are willing to give free access to the public a shot. Are City governments not allowed to spend their tax revenues? Would you and WiFi4Milez like them to just put it in the bank and never use it? You raise an interesting point. First, we dont know how much of that $5m the city had to spend just to get to this point. There might be nothing left already. More importantly, an application such as automated parking meter reading certainly doesnt require something as expensive and process intensive as wifi (with theoretical rates of 54Mbps). A cheaper solution would have been to pick up the remnants of the old Ricochet system for a few thousand dollars. Parking meters dont need more than 12k (if that!) of data, so even Ricochets 128k would have been overkill. That equipment is literally sitting unused in a few cities (unless it was sold for junk), and Houston might even have been paid to take it away! Dont get me wrong, I am not actually suggesting they do that but it is a much more cost effective alternative to this wifi mess they have created.
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texans20
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said by Matt :said by R4M0N :said by Matt :The service was installed for the parking meters. So it was going to be installed no matter what. They realized they had a ton of unused capacity so they opened it up to the public to see how well it works. If it doesn't work well, they will close it to the public, but the service will remain in place for the parking meters. That doesn't mean the revenue for the parking meters is enough to pay for the whole system, its upkeep, upgrades and the implementations costs. Are City governments not allowed to spend their tax revenues? Would you and WiFi4Milez like them to just put it in the bank and never use it? Here's a wild idea, they could refund it to the people who paid it in the first place. You know, charge less taxes.
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Why deploy something obsolete and spend the money on deployment (where most of the costs are) and on hardware it may be impossible to service/maintain in the future, with no other upside.
This project has potential. First, how much savings will be realized from not having meter readers, and 2ndly, the network could be expanded to include other uses, so it has a future potential.
Most of the expenses are in the deployment and build out stage, which would of required similar effort and labor for deploying the obsolete system or this one.
Personally I don't see a huge downside to this. Also the city is taking the "Let's see how the free access works out" line of thinking. If it doesn't work out, it stops.
I don't see the huge potential for waste and loss here.
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Wow, that theory involves quite a few presumptions. You sipping a beer while preaching from your armchair over there in Tulsa? |
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patcat88
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Jamaica, NY | reply to texans20
Thats unamerican. |
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SRFireside
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said by texans20 :Here's a wild idea, they could refund it to the people who paid it in the first place. You know, charge less taxes. The only taxes Houston has is sales tax and property tax. Putting $5 million back into that will in no way reduce your sales tax and Houston has already been talking about lowering property tax before this came up. The money was already allocated to the project long before they decided to make a WAP out of it. If you think about about they are already giving back by opening up the network to the public. |
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