tobicat
join:2005-04-18
Tombstone, AZ
| Satellit ISP test
There is a fairly extensive discussion going on over at Satellite Guys Us over the validly of ISP test (speed ect) for satellite users. No one with a Wild Blue system has run the test and posted any results.
Would any Wild blue user care to run a few test and post the results in the thread? I would specifically like to see a screen shot of the Route test over Wild blue.
Warning it is kinda a hostile environment so if you got thin skin be careful.
»www.satelliteguys.us/broadband-f···t-6.html
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grohgreg
Dunno. Ask The Chief
join:2001-07-05
Dawson Springs, KY
| Actually, it only gets hostile because the guy who thinks he runs the diagnostic tests doesn't handle failure very well. If he was truly capable of accepting constructive criticism, the discussion could have been considerably more mellow.
I personally think he's spinning his wheels - trying to modify terrestrial broadband diagnostics to satellite connections. But by all means, check it out. Decide for yourselves.
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Spice300
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join:2006-01-10
| reply to tobicat
From ISPGeeks: Satellite Speed Test:
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To obtain the most accurate results please make sure that you disable all firewalls, antivirus, P2P, download and streaming software.
I will not shut down my firewall and antivirus for a speed test.
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grohgreg
Dunno. Ask The Chief
join:2001-07-05
Dawson Springs, KY
1 edit | said by Spice300  :I will not shut down my firewall and antivirus for a speed test. Concur. Yet that kind of remark to the speed test guy would almost certainly evoke a hostile response. He only likes it if you play the game his way.
But don't let that stopya, Tobi's just looking for some WB folks to test this guys idea about his tests versus NAT servers.
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tobicat
join:2005-04-18
Tombstone, AZ
| reply to Spice300
I don't shut mine down either the test seem to sorta work sometimes. They are kinda pretty to look at. I was just hoping to see how differently they performed on Wild blue.
He claims he is gonna make one that will identify packet shaping and the like.
But there needs to be some other people test his stuff.
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Earth Signal
Earthsignal
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join:2002-10-03
Burlington, IA
 ·WildBlue
1 edit | I tried this and have got mixed results. The download speed test seem to be accurate but the upload test is way off. The other tests seem to give different results each time I test. The upload capacity tests are a total waste of time for me. I didn't turn off anything before testing since I don't for others tests.
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Earth Signal
Earthsignal
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join:2002-10-03
Burlington, IA
·WildBlue
| reply to tobicat
said by tobicat : I would specifically like to see a screen shot of the Route test over Wild blue. The route test seemed to give me the grand tour of the country.
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tobicat
join:2005-04-18
Tombstone, AZ
1 edit | Well it does look like it actually went up and over the satellite to your modem. So it might be of some use to Wild Blue users not sure what though other than to show the route is not broke.
I agree with you on the speed teat also. I can't even figure out what that capacity test is supposed to prove.
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grohgreg
Dunno. Ask The Chief
join:2001-07-05
Dawson Springs, KY
| WB users can be sometimes appear to be seen because they use the a dynamic lease addressing system. Some folks have reported having the same lease for days at a time. But the customer has no control over it whatsoever. So they'd eventually lose money betting on the same lease twice in a row. But since the packet that requests the route test from the ISPGeeks server is carrying that particular lease address, that's the path the route test will take in return.
Hughes NAT system won't permit that. Our packets (between us and the NOC) are identified by a hexidecimal iteration of our modem serial numbers.
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ispgeek
Premium
join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
3 edits | reply to tobicat
said by tobicat :There is a fairly extensive discussion going on over at Satellite Guys Us over the validly of ISP test (speed ect) for satellite users. No one with a Wild Blue system has run the test and posted any results. Would any Wild blue user care to run a few test and post the results in the thread? I would specifically like to see a screen shot of the Route test over Wild blue. Warning it is kinda a hostile environment so if you got thin skin be careful. » www.satelliteguys.us/broadband-f···t-6.html Hi Guys,
We got pulled into this by accident to be honest. Never was our intention to even consider a satellite speed test because of issues that you are already too aware of. Wild Blue test results have been posted by the originator of the thread and we've verified they indeed did come from Wild Blue. A ton of reconfiguration and testing went into offering the limited version of the tests so I've decided they can stay and your feedback is always welcome if you think they can be made better by all means please help.
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ispgeek
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join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
1 edit | reply to Spice300
said by Spice300 :From ISPGeeks: Satellite Speed Test: quote:
To obtain the most accurate results please make sure that you disable all firewalls, antivirus, P2P, download and streaming software.
I will not shut down my firewall and antivirus for a speed test. Some anti-virus solutions don't play well with speed checking and will skew your results horribly (AVG and Avast to name a couple). These problems are well documented just google for them. As for your firewall, that is suggested because most people are clueless how to control them and performing things such as opening ports that required for testing etc. It's easier just to say "shut them down for the duration of the test". Feel free to operate any way you wish but some features may not work properly if you choose not to follow the instructions.
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ispgeek
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join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL | reply to Earth Signal
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ispgeek
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join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
2 edits | Re: Satellit ISP test
For the those interested in the tests, I don't have any satellite background so I'm not the guy to ask about the technical aspects of our tests. I'm happy to answer the simple questions as to who, what, when, where and why (unless satellite specific) however the rest needs to be directed to our support people or feel free to ask Bandwidth directly at the site.
The response and results from the tests honestly have been mixed. One thing I must apologize for is the site load time for satellite guys. Almost everyone who's taken the time to send feedback reports the same issue. I'm watching usage closely and if there is demand I'll consider having a "slim" version of the pages for you guys. Honestly right now I don't see this happening and have directed support to be focused on other projects. The tests will remain for those who want to use them and if things improve then I'll take a close second look at the project.
Thanks again for the feedback. I hope the tests are useful for a few at least.
Gosh I almost forgot. Some of the Wild Blue feedback related to uploads was a bit odd. Our test apparently reports better results than you've experienced in real world use or when related to your advertised caps. I can't give you an answer why but Bandwidth is looking for additional examples and will look into it when he has time. Feel free to send them to support at our site via email or use the feedback link.
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grohgreg
Dunno. Ask The Chief
join:2001-07-05
Dawson Springs, KY
4 edits | said by ispgeek :For the those interested in the tests, I don't have any satellite background so I'm not the guy to ask about the technical aspects of our tests. I'm happy to answer the simple questions as to who, what, when, where and why (unless satellite specific) however the rest needs to be directed to our support people or feel free to ask Bandwidth directly at the site. So then what's the point? Your shill(s) failed miserably to render a "better satellite internet test site". Best case, he/she/'they over-reached - worst case, he/she/they was incompetent. Logical answer - he/she/they simply didn't know what he/she/they was/were getting into, and failed to back out gracefully.
Don't make the same mistake yourself.
BUT - if you ARE willing to climb down off the rhetroic - and actually DISCUSS the technical aspects - THEN maybe we can GET somewhere. Up till now, representatives of ISPGEEKS.COM have completely failed in that aspect. He/she/they knew everything there was to know, and dismissed all arguments to the contrary.
Only someone actually willing to learn how this bastard child called satellite internet works - will have a prayer of figuring out how to tailor performance tests accordingly.
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ispgeek
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join:2006-02-16
Saint Petersburg, FL
2 edits | Re: Satellit ISP test
said by Time :Wow, his "bastard child" comment was referring to satellite technology itself, not its users. Still an inappropriate comment. The delivery concept looks to me like it's sound. Based on forum posts and feedback I've seen most users like the technology but they hate the provider due to overselling and generally crappy customer service. Correct me if I'm wrong but I doubt any of you would complain too much if they delivered the advertised product at fair and reasonable price and had decent customer service. Satellite based internet isn't perfect for every user but for most in rural areas it sure beats dialup.
The person who originally posted on the site finally posted his Wild Blue test data. At one point he was getting below 26kbps up which is horrible yet still getting about 1.1mbps down. He also said that earlier during the first day his upstream was running below 12kbps. I don't know about you but speeds like that make it difficult to do much interaction via the web. He called Wild Blue and could never get a straight answer from anyone but they sure knew how to transfer him around and disconnect his call several times after long periods of holding.
After reading the original post again I've made a correction. Not quite sure what was meant by the comment. In either case it's not appropriate.
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grohgreg
Dunno. Ask The Chief
join:2001-07-05
Dawson Springs, KY
4 edits | reply to Anon
In a nutshell, a virgin poster claimed to have found "a better satellite test site", and I challenged the claim. Another virgin poster - this one purporting to represent ISPGeeks - then joined the thread, trying to defend the OP claim. After about 10 days of animus, the Geeks guy pretty much failed to produce. This site moderators were on the verge of deleting the whole thing as SPAM. But since it sorta whithered on the vine, they just left the dead dog lie.
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