takeahike
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4 edits | 2008 & 2009 Accord brake problem
Well, I finally did it. Got the new Accord. See my old thread »What's Your Next Car? So I was looking on Yahoo and they had this story about best and worst cars, etc., and I came across a link to »www.carcomplaints.com and see that the 2008 & 2009 Accords have a severe (seems like might be in the design, and thus pretty much 100%) problem with squeaky brakes and extremely pre-mature wear. See here. Also seems like the fix is just replace them only to be back in the same boat in the same very short time period. So, is American Honda doing anything about this? Apparently not much more than just thinking it over. Pressure should be mounted for a recall and a real fix. Never had any such problems on my prior Accords (three of them).
By the way, my buying story might help you. American Honda Finance now has a lease deal of $2699 down (plus tax, license, etc.) and $199/mo. (agreed value about $2400 below sticker and below invoice) but you know how all dealers just start there and try to stick you with $2000 of junk dealer options that 'cannot' be 'removed.' I called before I went in and told him I was aware of this trick (mainly from my prior dealings with the same dealership) and he bullshitted me of course with 'you don't have to take those, blah, blah,' but when I got there every, yes every, car had that crap added. Then the salesperson, the phone guy's assistant, said they had one just off the truck without that and that since it was Sunday they hadn't molested it yet and that I could buy it right there before they had a chance to add all the crap. So I did, and got the quoted deal! You can maybe do this by waiting for one to come in if one like that isn't there when you go to buy. In any event, I'm real happy with this deal and, incidentally, am glad it's a lease so I can turn it in after the 36 months if this brake problem rears it's ugly head without a solution.
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PrntRhd
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Fairfield, CA | Squeaking brakes are an annoyance, but not a safety defect requiring a recall. Usually it can be fixed with a different hardness pad. |
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takeahike
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Woodland Hills, CA | Read the complaints. New brakes every 15-20k? That's a problem worthy of a recall in my opinion.
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PrntRhd
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| said by takeahike  :Read the complaints. New brakes every 15-20k? That's a problem worthy of a recall in my opinion. Ok, this means a brake pad change every 14-24 months for the average user.
Recalls are for safety defects, not maintenance intervals. |
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takeahike
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| Well, maybe not the word recall, but wouldn't you think a fix that will bring it into normal brake replacement intervals (50-80k) covered under warranty?
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PrntRhd
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1 edit | That is up to Honda and what they feel is acceptable wear for the parts. There are also other factors that may be responsible for premature wear of the rear brakes including improper bedding of the brakes, complete retraction of the pads when the parking brake is released, the pad composition, etc.
FYI, years ago I worked for a company who leased Ford Tempo variants for their service employees. The front brakes only lasted 20K miles on those Tempo's. Ford claimed this was normal wear. |
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said by takeahike :Well, maybe not the word recall, but wouldn't you think a fix that will bring it into normal brake replacement intervals (50-80k) covered under warranty? Make the pads twice as thick, then you will get twice the miles.  Just notch out the Caliper so the piston side and the ear side each are widened by a half of the new thickness and then reinstall.
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PrntRhd
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said by takeahike :Well, maybe not the word recall, but wouldn't you think a fix that will bring it into normal brake replacement intervals (50-80k) covered under warranty? Brake pads are a wear item and not covered by a warranty unless they fall apart (break). |
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takeahike
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1 edit | Don't really buy that. There such a thing as reasonable expectations with any product and there are implied warranties of merchantability in all states. What if they wore out after 1000 miles--could they say that isn't covered cause it's a wear item?
As I said this is my 4th Accord, and frankly I've been an Accord nut for years. There aren't any other substantial problem reports with this car and it's a great machine, as all my past ones have been and in line with the manufacturer's reputation for excellence. So it'd be nice if they would come up with some fixes for this problem--even if it's not covered--and the car will then more than live up to my expectations.
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If the *THOUGHT* of it bothers you so badly, sell the car....problem solved.
You just got the car and someone, somewhere, on some internet board states that THEY are feeling like they are not getting enough mileage out of thier brakes.....
Exactly how intelligent does that really sound to you ? |
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takeahike
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1 edit | It's not just someone. If you look at the board I cited most problems have a few complaints but this one has over 300! So it's real, not imagined. I'm not too terribly worried about it except to say that I think the manufacturer should make a real effort to address the issue, and it appears that they're wallowing about it for too long. Like I said I love Accords, am otherwise real happy and really can't conceive of too may other cars I'd like to buy. Complete satisfaction is always best, however.
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La Luna
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Doesn't brake wear have a lot to do with the driver? How hard they brake, if they screech to a stop from high speeds? Ride the brakes? See plenty of people doing all those things. |
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matt5
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Lagrangeville, NY | reply to takeahike
Show me a car of that class that gets 80k out of a set of brakes, lol. |
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| said by matt5 :Show me a car of that class that gets 80k out of a set of brakes, lol. that's what i was thinking...
I have an older accord, and I end up with new brake pads every 2 years or so....(10k per year) |
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takeahike
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1 edit | reply to matt5
I could swear my '98 Accord didn't need them until about 100k and I'm pretty darn certain my '02 Highlander didn't have any brakes before when I just had them done at 110k. I will say that I drive mostly freeways.
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I have an '08 accord with 21k miles on it, I have no problems.
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takeahike
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2 edits | said by Omega :I have an '08 accord with 21k miles on it, I have no problems. Good to hear. Maybe it's not universal. Of course the problem with the complaint boards is that you hear only the complaints so you really have no idea what the percentage is of units that have problems.
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| said by takeahike :said by Omega :I have an '08 accord with 21k miles on it, I have no problems. Good to hear. Maybe it's not universal. Of course the problem with the complaint boards is that you hear only the complaints so you really have no idea what the percentage is of units that have problems. True, but the fact is there's over 200 owners with worn out rear disc brake pads, and most under 25000 miles, and that IS a problem. Even my '02 Ford Explorer with 69000 miles on it has 50% of the rear disc brake lining left. |
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takeahike
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| Thanks. I agree something's wrong. Let's hope the manufacturer will get serious about the problem. I tried to send them an e-mail with the link to this thread but they don't have e-mail communication set up. Hmmm . . . . . . No problem contacting Toyota that way.
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insomniac84
join:2002-01-03
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It was on the consumerist. »consumerist.com/5268731/honda-ow···esponded
Basically the pads in the back are smaller than the front ones, but the computer is set to use the back breaks more than the front since using the front breaks causes the nose to dip. Basically it sounds like two different groups designed it and forgot to talk to each other.
Possible fixes are setting the computer to use the front breaks more or putting larger brakes on the back. I assume Honda will spring for the software fix eventually. But who knows, maybe they think they can use ignore it and make people pay a ton on break pads. |
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