  Inssomniak Premium join:2005-04-06 Cayuga, ON
| Anyone know how to fix 2wires that wont sync?
Has anyone ever looked into why many 2wire modems out there arent syncing?
Im starting to accumulate a bunch of these, all try their hardest to sync, but never do. and I have a perfect, and I mean PERFECT DSL line here at my house.
Seems some part is bad? |
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  Angelo_ The Network Guy Premium join:2002-06-18 | prob bad modems... should be able to fix it if you know electronics though |
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  l0thar
join:2005-12-29 Far Far Away
| reply to Inssomniak It could be that their line interface circuitry got damaged by lightning?
I lost a 2Wire 2700HG, my first one died after getting hit by spikes in the line from thunderstorm. 
The modem lighted up, the DSL light went red to try to establish a connection and it would flash on and on, no connection would ever come thru.
It seems this model is particularly sensitive to this kind of damage, according to posts I found in a Google search. |
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  pnjunction Teksavvy Premium Premium join:2008-01-24 Toronto, ON
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| reply to Inssomniak They'd be more trouble to fix than they're worth IMO unless it's something as simple as a blown cap. You'd also need some decent soldering skill/equipment to get anything other than a cap or resistor replaced.
Considering the lack of schematics or proper diagnostic procedures and the retail cost of replacement parts, a few rounds of "swap-and-pray" could add up to the cost of a new unit in no time. |
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  Inssomniak Premium join:2005-04-06 Cayuga, ON
| said by pnjunction :They'd be more trouble to fix than they're worth IMO unless it's something as simple as a blown cap. You'd also need some decent soldering skill/equipment to get anything other than a cap or resistor replaced. Considering the lack of schematics or proper diagnostic procedures and the retail cost of replacement parts, a few rounds of "swap-and-pray" could add up to the cost of a new unit in no time. Ya I know.. was just wondering if anyone put any time into it..
I can solder a 200 pin QFP microprocessor with off the shelf supplies in my basement, so replacing parts isnt a concern, but more of what mart might be bad, if its the whole frontend adsl chip then, ya not worth it. |
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  An_Onymous
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| Typical things I would check for are the chips that are closest to any of the outside interfaces as they more likely get blown off first.
- DSL receiver/driver chips. These are interfacing directly to the phone line with minimum protections and I heard of several cases of damaged chips. There are some chances that you can buy these parts (Analog Devices, TI etc)
- Power Supply voltages. Probably okay if you can already talk to the digital side of the modem.
Beyond that, not a whole lot you can do as the main SoC is likely a BGA parts as least in the case of the ST-516 V6. |
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  CanerisErik Caneris Premium,VIP join:2007-10-03 Toronto, ON
| reply to Inssomniak We have what I believe to be the second largest collection in Canada of 2Wires that don't sync. We did look into repairing them last year, but perhaps not enough.
We had an electrical engineer examine them briefly, try to swap some components off a working one, but we didn't pursue it much at the time. One of the challenges is that there are no schematics for any of the components anywhere online. We spent only a few hours on this last year and weren't able to determine at the time where the problem was, and whether the problem was the same in all of them.
If there's an interest we might pursue this again in the near future. -- Erik - Caneris - Internet solutions and more. |
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  CanerisErik Caneris Premium,VIP join:2007-10-03 Toronto, ON
| reply to An_Onymous said by An_Onymous :
Beyond that, not a whole lot you can do as the main SoC is likely a BGA parts as least in the case of the ST-516 V6. Some of us have access to BGA equipment  -- Erik - Caneris - Internet solutions and more. |
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  An_Onymous
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| Not like you can order the big SoC easily from the vendor easily or that replacing the BGA would make any economic sense for you.
I would recommending looking at the driver/receiver chips in your bone pile. That's the soic-8 right next to the sticker SB10A in picture (ST516V6). It should be very common froml the analog chip vendors were selling their DSL driver/receiver chips - fancy opamp parts.
You are looking at a $1 part and a 2 minutes replacement job. |
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  Inssomniak Premium join:2005-04-06 Cayuga, ON
| said by An_Onymous :
Not like you can order the big SoC easily from the vendor easily or that replacing the BGA would make any economic sense for you.
I would recommending looking at the driver/receiver chips in your bone pile. That's the soic-8 right next to the sticker SB10A in picture (ST516V6). It should be very common froml the analog chip vendors were selling their DSL driver/receiver chips - fancy opamp parts.
You are looking at a $1 part and a 2 minutes replacement job. The 2wire doesnt have such a chip. It has a 100 pin flat pack frontend chip (ST20184). It does the work for sync in a 2wire., Digital out is fed into the microprocessor, and vice versa. |
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  An_Onymous
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| findchips.com claims that Arrow Electronic and America II might have some. It is pending end of life.
Datasheet: »download.siliconexpert.com/pdfs/···0616.pdf
"E-ST20184,ST20184 & E-ST20196, ST20196 PRODUCT TERMINATION NOTICE" »app.arrownac.com/aws/nac_epcn_vi···41517034 |
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 HNHarvey Premium join:2008-11-26 Rigaud, QC | reply to CanerisErik count me in, I have 12 so far.  |
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  conundrum8472
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| i just fixed a netgear rangemax with this problem, by swapping that 8 pin chip.
for future reference, don't recycle chips from other routers, buy new or use one from a firmware-flashed-dead router. |
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  G1ggidy
@teksavvy.com | reply to Inssomniak I've sucsessfully fixed about 30% of my non-syncing 2wire 2700's by reflashing the firmware.
YMMV.  |
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  TilhasBB Formally Goden99 Premium join:2000-08-05 canada
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 2700 |  2701 |
I've just managed to recover two 2700 and one 2701 modems that wouldn't sync.
Opened them up, vacuumed the dust, and cleaned the chips (with alcohol) then re-flashed them. Syncing perfectly since. |
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  Inssomniak Premium join:2005-04-06 Cayuga, ON
1 edit | Recently I ran into a new irritating problem, I set up a 2700 here, tested it, put it on my DSL line here at the house, no problem, sync's fast and perfect. I give it to the customer, wont sync. I do it again to another 2700, same thing.
2 other DSL modems sync fine on the customers line.
Only difference is the loop length, here Im on a 900 meter or less loop length, and he is on a 3k meter loop. |
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  Inssomniak Premium join:2005-04-06 Cayuga, ON | reply to G1ggidy With what version? |
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  HiVolt Premium join:2000-12-28 Toronto, ON clubs:
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| reply to Inssomniak said by Inssomniak :Recently I ran into a new irritating problem, I set up a 2700 here, tested it, put it on my DSL line here at the house, no problem, sync's fast and perfect. I give it to the customer, wont sync. I do it again to another 2700, same thing. 2 other DSL modems sync fine on the customers line. Only difference is the loop length, here Im on a 900 meter or less loop length, and he is on a 3k meter loop. How long did the customer wait? Could the customer be on an IKNS remote? I recently have had extremely long sync times at work on my backup DSL, both with Speedstream and 2Wire modems.
Literally takes over half an hour sometimes.
Thread on the issue here. »IKNS Remote, why so long to sync? -- GO LEAFS GO! |
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  fiestaware
join:2008-01-07 | reply to Inssomniak I have *this exact problem* with a refurbed 2700 I just took out of the box. No sync - perpetually flashing red DSL light.
I'm reading this thread with great interest. |
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 Teddy Boom
join:2007-01-29 Toronto, ON
| reply to Inssomniak If you are buying untested 2wires, you should expect about half to be bad, mostly due to this exact problem. I have about 20 of them myself, and I've tried the reflashing thing with absolutely no luck.
I am on an IKNS remote, but most modems sync within a minute..
Hmm, I guess I need to crack out the pile of dead modems yet again. If I can breathe life into any of them, it is certainly worth a little time. |
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