Ask DSLReports: U-Verse in BellSouth Territory?Wes Warnock, AT&T's lead U-Verse rep ( old news - 03:01PM Friday Sep 14 2007) tags: dsl · Fiber · business · exclusive · networking · AT&T U-VerseWe asked you last Friday to give us your most nagging questions, and we'd try our best to get you an answer. One of the top questions was whether AT&T has any plans to deploy U-Verse service into former BellSouth territory within a year or two, so we sat down with AT&T's U-Verse spokesman Wes Warnock to pick his brain. AT&T's U-Verse IPTV & VDSL service just passed the 100,000 user mark. The service, which offers 6Mbps VDSL and HD IPTV, is now available in limited portions of 25 metro markets. However, all of them so far have been in AT&T's original thirteen-state footprint -- leaving BellSouth customers feeling a little neglected. "We are absolutely planning our deployment in the Southeast," Warnock tells us. "We'll be entering the Atlanta market by the end of this year." "Right now, what we're doing is building up our network and putting in our video delivery infrastructure, getting the reprogramming agreements with local broadcasters, and putting all our installation and marketing plans in place."As it stands now, a leaked internal launch memo we've been tracking has St. Louis scheduled for November 5, Austin scheduled for November 9 and Columbus scheduled for December 24. Atlanta should be launched somewhere in between there, though AT&T wouldn't be specific. Warnock says that the company will be deploying to additional Southeast markets in "pretty short order."It's apparent that despite the merger, BellSouth is still somewhat of an independent animal. The company just launched a new suite of DSL bundles not available in AT&T territory, and DSL pricing and tier names remain inconsistent across AT&T and BellSouth territories. BellSouth is also now offering dry loop DSL for all tiers across their footprint, while AT&T's dry loop offerings remain scattershot. "We are working through the discrepancies between the offers and plans across our regions," says AT&T spokesperson Tiffany Nell. "We can't really speculate as to when these prices will come in line, it's a process," she tells us. As for U-Verse, the company still says that they should pass eight million households by the end of this year and 18 million homes by the end of 2008. But Warnock tells us those numbers don't include BellSouth territory. Updated numbers that include BellSouth's footprint should be coming your way in December, we're told. It's pretty clear that the real fusion of AT&T and BellSouth happens in 2008. The Need For SpeedWe, of course, had to ask Warnock about all the skepticism surrounding U-Verse's ability to provide "future proof" bandwidth, particularly in the shadow of significantly faster Verizon FiOS and eventually DOCSIS 3.0 technology. The company is currently offering only 6Mbps of useable non-video bandwidth, though their solution is capable of significantly more. "Frankly we are ahead of where we thought we would be with the fiber to the node architecture," Wes insists. "We're seeing a lot faster speeds. When we talk about the 25Mbps, we are talking about the bare minimum that we're seeing right now. Beyond that as you get shorter loop lengths we're seeing faster speeds and we're really pleased with that."We've seen reports of U-Verse gateways syncing at nearly 100Mbps, though we're talking about only 1,400 feet from the DSLAM. It seems that 25Mbps is working well at distances of 3,000 feet; distances higher than 5,000 feet are where the trouble starts. Faster speeds are coming, but the company still isn't being specific. During a recent investor webcast, the company only stated that additional bandwidth would be doled out sometime in 2008. "We've got pair bonding capabilities that are really going to allow us to increase bandwidth as needed, so as that happens, and compression technologies improve across the board you'll see new services and new offerings," says Warnock. More Fiber In Your DietAT&T's decision to deploy VDSL and FTTN instead of FTTH was done mostly to keep impatient investors happy and keep costs low. The telco will be spending less than a third of Verizon's FiOS budget on initial deployments. Some developments will get fiber to the home, however, so we asked Warnock to break down the numbers. "Of the eighteen million homes that we've announced to pass by the end of next year, approximately a million of those are fiber to the prem," he clarifies. "The rest would be fiber to the node." Despite the added capacity, those customers will see the same speeds their VDSL brethren see, as the company wants to create "a consistent user experience across the board," according to Warnock. VDSL or fiber, AT&T believes they're more than capable of doing battle on the TV front. "We're contantly developing new features that take advantage of our all IP-based platform," Warnock says. As we've noted repeatedly, AT&T's ability to deliver dual high-def streams to customers will be a real U-Verse litmus test. "We are the nations largest 100% IPTV provider. We have a pretty good track record so far and we're just going to build on that," he says. Party Poopers There was so much skepticism that U-Verse was a pipe dream, and again, we've proven that wrong... -Wes Warnock, AT&T | "DSLReports and plenty of other outlets have been highly skeptical of our strategy," Warnock admits. Said skepticism has focused on the belief that fiber is the future, and Verizon is putting itself on a much more solid long-term competitive path by deploying FTTH now. Warnock insists that U-Verse's growth rate is justifying the company's decision. "Last year we ended the year with three thousand subscribers," he says. "In pretty short order that grew to ten thousand -- and then fifty thousand at the end of the second quarter. In just around two months that fifty thousand is now a hundred thousand. We see that as pretty strong validation of what we're doing." He also points out that two years ago the skepticism was focused on whether AT&T could even do high definition TV, or whether IPTV would work over their network at all. "There was so much skepticism that U-Verse was a pipe dream, and again, we've proven that wrong and I feel like we're continuing to execute on our strategy and perform well in the marketplace." Related:- 10Mbps U-Verse
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2 edits | Great Article! By far one of the best article on DSLReports to date!
I wish I had added a 2nd part to my question, which was: How does AT&T feel about the current Fiber setups that BellSouth installed (IFITL, DFITL, and MX) and how do they plan to play those into their U-Verse service, at all? Currently, IFITL customers do not need a DSL Modem, rather they plug directly into a 10mb port at the pedestal. Unfortunantely, the equipment doesn't support speeds greater than 1.5/256. Prior to AT&T's merger with BellSouth, Tellabs was working with BellSouth on hardware upgrades for IFITL customers. I'm not sure if those plans were changed, or if AT&T has some idea to incorporate Tellabs technology and offer a different service to the IFITL customers? -- YourIP.US - It's Your IP .. and more! rr.cx - Personal Site.. coming soon. | |
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| Re: Great Article! said by Rob :By far one of the best article on DSLReports to date! I wish I had added a 2nd part to my question, which was: How does AT&T feel about the current Fiber setups that BellSouth installed (IFITL, DFITL, and MX) and how do they plan to play those into their U-Verse service, at all? Currently, IFITL customers do not need a DSL Modem, rather they plug directly into a 10mb port at the pedestal. Unfortunantely, the equipment doesn't support speeds greater than 1.5/256. Prior to AT&T's merger with BellSouth, Tellabs was working with BellSouth on hardware upgrades for IFITL customers. I'm not sure if those plans were changed, or if AT&T has some idea to incorporate Tellabs technology and offer a different service to the IFITL customers? "BellSouth" is still rolling out their FITL-MX platform, and it is safe to assume that there will be a U-Verse solution for that technology, given it is FTTC. I don't know, though, about other services such as IFITL/DFITL/FITL-A. Vendors are still working on new products that will bridge the gap. No primary vendors have "jumped ship" or been cut off due to BellSouth's adaptation to AT&T's deployment strategy. | |
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| Great Interview Karl Congrats.
Wes, assuming you'll read this which certainly may be the case given you know how skeptical some around here have been..I'll give it to you straight.
First, it's no secret at all that I'm probably one of the most outspoken Uverse critics around this site. Some attribute that to the very false impression that I either work for comcast, or am paid in some fashion by them. Both couldn't be further from the truth. My going on 8 year history here was spent mostly in the RR forum..and I've only been with Comcast since the adelphia buyout earlier this year.
What I am..plain and simple..is a consumer who's simply calling it like I see it. And mainly, comparing it to what I ALREADY have. And that should matter to you because it's what your company is up against.
What I also have seen in my lifetime is one of your predecessor companies..namely ameritech..ALREADY try to enter the cable tv business and try to win not only my business but many other ohio residents as well during my years living there. And, for all intents and purposes..they failed at it. It's WOW (wide open west)..who made it work after you sold it to them. What that shows I think is how hard it is to crack the TV market that is so dominated by the cable tv industry. It's the SAME problem that cable operators have in cracking the telco industry. But they are doing it because of the perceived quality of their Digital voice offerings..not to mention the huge savings people can realize for the feature rich, long distance included..service.
I would start out by saying that I totally disagree with you. I think that 100k customers by now..out of your huge service area and all the markets you're already serving..and homes you already pass..is a failure.
You have 17.3 Million broadband customers nationwide. And 100k uverse customers. That is not good..no matter how you try to paint it. One can also look in these BBR forums and see the excitement levels around both your companies and verizons rollout as well. FIOS..is exciting. It's new. It's next generation. People are clamoring for it...want it. Now.
Uverse? I see VERY little of this. And that's not because I'm down on it. It's because the majority feel this way.
Why do I feel this way? Do I have a personal grudge with AT&T? No. Not at all. It's just that I think your company can, and should be..doing much better. You should be the leader and the one rolling out the real next generation technology to compete with the cable co's.
The problem is several fold. First, entering such an established market..you have the natural decades long affiliation people have with their cable TV service. And, that's hard enough to crack on it's own. But yet..you want to do it with your copper lines that simply are carrying with it a decades old stigma. And people question how it's going to deliver tomorrows hdtv..hsi..phone..as you have promised it can.
You are rolling out a service that in terms of speed..is delivering people 6Mb..that's REALLY 5.5 in disguise counting overhead. Mr Warnock..today, I receive 4 times that with comcast. Four times that and we aren't even talking about their up and coming docsis 3.0 rollout..slated to begin next year.
Sir..last year and even the year before..we heard a lot about uverse. But it always seemed to be..hurry up..and wait. And, as you state..at years end..you had 3,000 customers. That gives the perception of problems. Of vaporware..if you understand that term. And, with people like me simply not believing your companies speech. It seemed designed to head off the competition..to offer something that was still very much on the drawing board.
And today..25 or more markets later..with a LOT of homes passed..it's still 100k customers. That is NOTHING in terms of your service area. You are the largest telco apparently on planet earth now. 100k people is NOTHING and you SHOULD have that many people..even with your rollout in your own corporate backyard.
STOP MAKING EXCUSES MR WARNOCK. And realize the writing that is on the wall.
What is being discussed everywhere is the perceived failure of this service. The lack of excitement about it. And the reasons why people believe this is the case. To simply save AT&T and it's shareholders some money. NOT to deliver a world class next generation product.
WHY..do I care? For two reasons. First..there is NOTHING inexpensive about Comcast. It's not overly expensive for what we get..but they operate at this point as if they control the technology world. And perhaps it's because they DO..and can get away with it. The cable industries increases the last decade have been HUGE percentage wise...and without real competition..there is nothing that will stop that.
And, I'm trying to give it to you straight..and tell you that if a uverse salesman shows up on my doorstep..there's nothing I see that will sell me on going with AT&T at this point. Is your price less? Yes..I guess so..but so too do you get less. And I'm not interested in less for my money. And neither is the millions of people who subscribe to cable.
What else do I worry about? This is your NEXT Generation service Sir. This is tomorrow and 2010 for AT&T. If we're REALLY going to compare this..then we have to compare it with DOCSIS 3.0.
Sir..docsis 3.0 is going to kill your company.
I'm just not sure what you'll have left when that rolls out. And, I'm not being overly pessimistic either. I'm just calling a spade..a spade here. From this customers point of view.
You say that uverse can go faster. I hope it can. But what I fear is that you'll be getting into the same scenario that many dsl customers have faced. A service of haves..and have not's. Where some get the higher speeds..and many don't. This is not the consistent service that cable co's provide for the most part. It's very inconsistent at best.
The bottom line for me is that there is NOTHING i'd like to do more than to see AT&T get with the program. The REAL program. And do what Verizon is doing..and go with FTTH.
As you know sir..that rollout will take years. Which is why it's so important to start now. Verizon management didn't just sit around one day and decide they'd love to have to blow 5 times as much as AT&T is. They saw the writing on the wall. The same writing I suspect that I write about here.
And, you know what? It's paying huge dividends for them now. Look at the excitement..and THEIR customer growth.
It takes money..to make money.
It is TIME for AT&T to start spending it if you want to reap the same returns.
In closing I will say that there is NOTHING that is preventing me from changing my avatar and BBR name once again..in the future. Nor preventing millions of cable customers from signing on with AT&T.
That depends though, on you...offering US..something we really want.
AT&T...FTTH.
Do it now.
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| Re: Great Interview Karl Yup... Its the old BWM/Lexus vs. a Chevy/Lada People 'WANT' BWM/Lexus at Chevy/Lada prices, and expect Chevy to build a Lexus, or Lexus to cost cut to compete against Chevy. It won't happen.. Lexus/BMW have their service and customers that expect high end and are willing to pay for it.
Chevy/Lada customers expect a semi-reliable/cheap vehicle.
If Chevy sold a 'Cadillac' (GM, its parent does), then its price is comparable.
Plain old business 101.
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| Re: Great Interview Karl But, that's not totally how it works.
For example, when I cut off the landline and LD I was previously paying for..and switched to VOIP..I was literally able to reduce my HSI cost..in this case..comcasts 42.95/mo fee..down to zero.
My argument for a long time now has been that DSL is not the cheap service it has been portrayed to be. Both in terms of the slower speeds..and the landline you're forced to get along with it..it can be downright expensive actually in comparison to the BMW/Lexus you portray a cable hsi connection as being.
Consider for a minute a 1500k dsl connection..(that doesn't even deliver those speeds w/ overhead). If that's 20.00 a month or 24.00 a month even on a dry connection..that works out to a WHOLE lot more money than my 6Mb comcast connection does at 42.95 month Not to mention the up to 20Mb speeds we get with powerboost when you look at that in terms of the actual speeds you're getting.
DSL costs less..because you get less. And, in many cases..and depending on how it's packaged..cable can actually be much cheaper than a telco solution. -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
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| Re: Great Interview Karl Good promo Rick.
You know, you mention nothing in this post regarding stability. Probably going to get flamed just for mentioning it, but who cares.
Price, price, price, that's all people like you whine about, kind of like they did back in the early eighties, yeah, look where that got us. I think you and Clark Howard would get along real well here.
I have 3 neighbors here that would claim just the opposite. DSL costs less because you get less, wth is that? Last time I checked Crapcastic commercials always debate apples to oranges, ya know 256 to 6M. Oh and the neighbors I've mentioned, no probs w/ Fastaccess to date, hmm, go figure.
I for one am looking forward to Uverse, I've witnessed FIOS at my relatives house in Red Bank NJ and yes, I was a bit jealous. Lot of work behind the scenes that no one even knows about. Hey, people are going to like what they like and then the next week they'll like something else, it's all good. | |
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| Re: Great Interview Karl My Comcast service is very stable. As is everyone's who I know. As for price, I've made numerous posts here at BBR stating my position being I think that whether it's DSL we're talking about or cable, I think both represent an outstanding value compared to where things used to be.
My point regarding price is in response to others who attempt to continually point out DSL as being the "cheaper" alternative. The chevy if you will, versus the BMW or Lexus.
They certainly have one thing right. Cable is, for the most part..the lexus compared to most dsl plans.
But that isn't true in terms of price many times. More and more, it's about how these services are packaged that determine the real price.
A 1.5Mb DSL plan for 20.00 that comes with a requirement that one must take a phone line in order to get it is NOT the cheaper alternative to a cable customer who pays 42.95 month for 20Mb powerboost speeds and who doesn't want that landline.
In fact, anyway you look at that scenario..it's the DSL plan that is expensive.
And so, why pay BMW prices for that chevy, eh? -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
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| Re: Great Interview Karl With all of these analogies to autos, then we should be able to apply the Lemon Law to both telcos and cablecos. As for Comcrap, you should feel fortunate that you live where they don't have the signal issues that a major metro area has. Entire sections working fine next to areas that are completely FUBAR. As far as price went, I've had both ATT dsl and Comcrap. I hate them both. The only positive things I could say about dsl is 1)it's not dial up and 2)they didn't raise their price every 6 months like cable. I moved so now its cable. For basic cable I'm paying $69 and 49 for HSI. But yes, at least I have a choice. So you say I have a lexus with comcast huh....feels like a '74 ford maverick to me! -- Burn a tire, but make sure you buy that carbon offset! | |
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| But what about those who are happy with purchasing a Chevy and driving 55 MPH instead of a Lamborghini because they don't "need" to drive 155 MPH? I will gladly take a lesser bandwidth tier if I can save money...and so will a majority of consumers. Most consumers don't need your 20 Mbps connection for $42.95/mth when they can get 1.5 Mbps for $20. Perceived cost is the real cost for most consumers. | |
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| Re: Great Interview Karl That's been my point all along. Many don't use the Internet for much more than Email, eBay, and general surfing. Sure... 6Mbps/42.95 is cheaper/Mbps than 1.5Mbps/24.95 But its the WalMart approach.. I can buy my kids socks at
Walmart for $0.99 or I can go to Sears and pay $4.99 for it. I'm still getting what I need, but I'm paying less.
You're using the 'CostCo' approach. I need a case of socks for $12.99, and its cheaper / sock than Walmart.
Well, not everyone needs to (or wants to) purchase high(er) speed Internet for higher price, when what they have is acceptable to them, and _really_ don't see the point in paying more. -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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| Re: Great Interview Karl Apparently, you still aren't following me. Or, are choosing not to.
You keep painting DSL as being walmart..saying people shop there because it's cheaper and they get what they want.
Tell me. How is dsl..aka the chevy in your scenario above...cheaper in ANY respect when you're going to pay 20.00 ~25.00 per month for it PLUS have a forced bundling requirement in the form of a landline you HAVE to have to get it...when, for the same money..a cable customer who does not want that landline decides to pay 42.95 per month for up to 20Mb service?
The cable customer is then getting the BMW/Lexus for the SAME COST..or even less..than the walmart customer is getting their 1.5Mb line for.
Isn't dsl in that scenario the far more EXPENSIVE option, no matter how you want to look at it?
And, as long as there is this forced landline bundling scenario, that is EXACTLY how consumers should look at it. They should reject your notion that dsl is somehow cheaper. You keep pointing to these low introductory dsl priced specials and saying LOOK! Here's the walmart of the telco industry. And that is EXACTLY what AT&T wants to try to portray.
The reality is FAR different because in terms of speed AND in terms of how consumers can now choose to bundle other services..cable can be the REAL value all the way around.
And, you know what? People are now wising up to this fact. It's why AT&T is starting to drop the landline requirement. Because they see that younger people are just fleeing those landlines left and right..and simply don't want them anymore.
When there is no landline requirement..THEN..I can agree with your assessment that then MAYBE dsl can be the cheaper alternative. But..it's still going to be about paying less..for less speed. And comparing apples to apples..and that 1.5Mb and the much higher speed of cable..it's still always going to be expensive in those relative terms.
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| Re: Great Interview Karl said by Rick :When there is no landline requirement..THEN..I can agree with your assessment that then MAYBE dsl can be the cheaper alternative. But..it's still going to be about paying less..for less speed. And comparing apples to apples..and that 1.5Mb and the much higher speed of cable.. it's still always going to be expensive in those relative terms. Considering that a lot of DSL customers are no longer required to have that terrible landline, I guess we can all agree that DSL is the lower cost alternative to cable's more expensive offering. And the only relativity that matters is the money coming out of my wallet. I'll wager you that 9 out of 10 times, the average American consumer will see it the same way. | |
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1 edit | Re: Great Interview Karl "Considering that a lot of DSL customers are no longer required to have that terrible landline, I guess we can all agree that DSL is the lower cost alternative to cable's more expensive offering."
I certainly wouldn't call it..a lot of people. Some yes. And AT&T is moving in the right direction on that.
But still, many times when you take out the landline, the dsl costs soar. And becomes no bargain at all.
But again, even taking out the landline..let's take a look at it.
A 1500k line for 24.00 versus a 6Mb with powerboost up to 20Mb for 42.95.
A 19.00 month difference divided by 30 days. We're talking about pocket change here..63 cents per day.
Is that extra 18,000k speeds worth that? I SURE think so. I think it's a HUGE value compared to that DSL line. It is flat out 12 times the FULL speed of that DSL line for just 63 cents per day more. And again, that is based on the unbundled dsl price..assuming someone can even get that now. What does that say about how expensive DSL is when you have to factor IN the landline? It's VASTLY overpriced IMHO.
But..granted..for a very budget conscious consumer who wants to do nothing more than surf and email..perhaps that 1.5Mb line is enough. And, if 23.95/mo is all they can afford, then so be it. But I just don't see how anyone can really arrive at it being the better value.
No way is that the case.
Again though, my point is that by eliminating that landline..and going with VOIP..many people can realize the extra savings that way to MORE than make up the 63 cents per day difference and to actually make Cable LESS expensive than virtually any form of DSL. Really, it's like getting the lexus for less than a cheap chevy's price. | |
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| Re: Great Interview Karl Out of the +50 million broadband subscribers out there... how many _really_ care that they're at the bleeding edge speed ?
I would _really_ like to see (if anyone could provide) the % of customers at each rate on cable, dsl, etc. How many customers are satisfied with their current rate (speed)? How many want to pay more for higher speed ?
20Mbps won't get my SSL session any faster to my work VPN. My console (SSH) won't be noticably faster (it was fast enough tethered over 3G UMTS/HSDPA).
Where I would notice it: Download of ISO / p0rn / Bittorrent / Webhosting / Spam relaying.
Just like POTS is vastly overpriced (over regulated FCC / BS cr@p), TV service is also overpriced. DTV has given my +180 channels on 3 sets for -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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| Re: Great Interview Karl "I would _really_ like to see (if anyone could provide) the % of customers at each rate on cable, dsl, etc. How many customers are satisfied with their current rate (speed)? How many want to pay more for higher speed ?"
Great point! and one Mr Rick misses every time.
He sits there pontificating based on his views and the views of this site....but of course he has no clue what the most people want.
they want speed FASTER than dial up. most cant tell the difference. when that changes so will the industry...it aint there yet...no matter what he says.
Who do i think has a clue....Rick or the biggest ISP in the country!!!!!!
He can call me a Troll if he wants....but actually what he wants is to subdue competition.
Comcast Rick?
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2 edits | Re: Great Interview Karl Hob, about all I can add to this is that if that 50 cents a day difference that it all amounts to between having a 1.5Mb slowsky dsl connection..and a 20Mb HSI cable connection really matters all that much to you..
then truly..I'm sorry for your financial predicament.
But, the fact of the matter is..for many of us who don't have and certainly don't want a landline..that difference is even less. Or..perhaps even non existent. It certainly is in my case, with all the savings I realize from voip.
I'm really not sure how or why all this escapes you. Based on your own statements contained in a post or posts on this website, one could only assume that apparently you're an employee of a Cable ISP. Is that how little you think of your own company and industry? Are you really this unable to differentiate between these offerings..and choose instead to make the competition the leader in your own mind?
If so, I sincerely hope that you will reconsider your own position..and perhaps even start applying for a position with AT&T.
It seems you would be happier with them.
Sad to say though, I 'm not sure they'll be hiring much longer. Losing as many landlines as they are..and offering nothing but slow connections overall isn't a good prognosis I fear for their future.
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| Re: Great Interview Karl "Hob, about all I can add to this is that if that 50 cents a day difference that it all amounts to between having a 1.5Mb slowsky dsl connection..and a 20Mb HSI cable connection really matters all that much to you.. then truly..I'm sorry for your financial predicament."
I think you have me confused with someone else. I have not mentioned cost in any of my posts.
"Is that how little you think of your own company and industry? Are you really this unable to differentiate between these offerings..and choose instead to make the competition the leader in your own mind?"
I am not making anyone the leader...not sure how you deduced that. I welcome competition in the market place. Competition benefits customers and I am a customer. You are telling the world that a service sucks because its not as fast as your connection. I am saying that in the market place, speed is not as important as other things AT THIS TIME. Quality service, home grown support, the ability to bundle and convenience are all more important to the average customer.
Speed is not the first thing in peoples mind....for the average customer. As I said before...as long as its faster than Dial up...and good value people will come.
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| Re: Great Interview Karl My posts re: uverse and AT&T encompass a wide range of issues I have with them. Certainly not just speed..although it is one factor I address.
Those factors include overall value of dsl versus cable hsi.. their marketing schemes.. this being their next generation service.. their use of public access ways to install vrads.. their tearing up roads to deliver questionable service that many already have access to.
My points are all very well thought out and relevant.
Really Hob..you and others should just move on from the bashing, misquoting and misinterpretation of my posts and into something more constructive. -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
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| Re: Great Interview Karl I see and because your posts are well thought out and relevant no one should be allowed to disagree and debate the subjects you bring up.
including speed as that has been your main focus in this thread.
I understand now.
Sorry.
Hob -- "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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| Re: Great Interview Karl said by hobgoblin :I see and because your posts are well thought out and relevant no one should be allowed to disagree and debate the subjects you bring up. If what you did was just that, I'd have no problem at all. unfortunately..you rarely stop there and instead choose to take everything into something of a personal nature. -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
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| Re: Great Interview Karl "If what you did was just that, I'd have no problem at all. unfortunately..you rarely stop there and instead choose to take everything into something of a personal nature."
I believe there is a very fine moderator group on this site who will respond and remove offending posts if you flag them.
When you challenge the Biggest ISP in the country in public you have to expect that people will challenge you. People are interested whether you have extensive experience in marketing and supporting High speed products and Video services or whether you are sitting in your parents basement typing.
These are not personal attacks, its a follow up discussion.
Hob -- "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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| Re: Great Interview Karl said by hobgoblin :When you challenge the Biggest ISP in the country in public you have to expect that people will challenge you. People are interested whether you have extensive experience in marketing and supporting High speed products and Video services or whether you are sitting in your parents basement typing. These are not personal attacks, its a follow up discussion. Hob LoL..jeesh. Really? I have to expect that people will challenge me about this issue? You're real late to that party my friend. I've been challenged about it for a year before you arrived on the scene to join in the fray.
And, let me get this straight. People are interested in whether I have extensive experience in marketing and supporting high speed products in order for me to express an opinion?
Again..I think you have it all wrong..and are continually in violation of this sites terms in challenging ME on THAT issue. If you would care to challenge me on the CONTENT of my posts ie: point out where you DISAGREE with the point itself and can point to a better argument..that is one thing.
But to challenge ME on MY personal knowledge is flat out wrong..and again. Against the site terms. -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
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join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Lets compare...
$24.95 + $10 POTS = Internet + dialtone $42.95 = Internet
$34.95 -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
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| Rick you are hilarious
"What is being discussed everywhere is the perceived failure of this service."
Everywhere? We were talking about Football, The Yankees and Red Sox and what we are doing tomorrow night. Not a word about Uverse.
"I receive 4 times that with comcast."
Really...You have a 22 mb service or POWERBOOST? Apples to Ferrets as usual.
"If we're REALLY going to compare this..then we have to compare it with DOCSIS 3.0."
So now you are comparing it to something no one has? Good one.
You are funny!
Hob -- "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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| Re: Great Interview Karl "Everywhere? We were talking about Football, The Yankees and Red Sox and what we are doing tomorrow night. Not a word about Uverse."
Last I checked, we were at Broadbandreports.com...not nfl.com. Did you take a wrong turn somewhere? Here, let me guide you back. »www.nfl.com/
"You have a 22 mb service or POWERBOOST? Apples to Ferrets as usual."
Really, I don't see it that way at all. Comcast delivers these speeds very consistently for many of the things I and others use the net for. It certainly covers general surfing..emailing..uploading and downloading good sized files..updates..programs we download. And, it's also been my experience that depending on the time of day, powerboost can certainly last longer than some have portrayed it. At most offpeak times, in fact..I can download the full OOL test file at full 20Mb + speeds. So, does that make it a 20Mb + service? I'd certainly say it does. I realize that when you were working at adelphia, our predecessor company..we were only getting 4Mb but things certainly did change when Comcast took over. I guess this is what the net is supposed to be like..eh?
And, re: Docsis 3.0: you say "So now you are comparing it to something no one has? Good one." And, when exactly do you think that uverse will be available to most people? Is that right now? Isn't AT&T's projections for it continually all about what 2008 and 2009? Isn't it then only fair to compare that with Comcasts and others stated plans for that time frame?
I thought you'd agree.  -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
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1 edit | Re: Great Interview Karl Rick,
The word everywhere means
in every place or part; in all places.
not just this forum inhabited by a handful of people. Some of us have a life.
but you knew that.
Who knows what Uverse will be offering when Docsis 3 gets to your area...you don't.
Competition is good..I am sure you agree with that..and anything that competes is good...again you agree with that.
Your tirades remind me of an auto designer who would never make a car because it could not compete with a Rolls Royce.
Hob
and now....you don't have a 20mb service..you have a great marketing ploy called powerboost...which fools fools.
smoke and mirors -- "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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| Re: Great Interview Karl We have discussed this Rick....as I am in the business and able to actually solve peoples issues first hand my post count clearly reflects that.
So you think because the Comcast CEO managed a 150mb speed that this will translate itself to Mrs Jones at number 23? 
Oh I see... to compete you have to build something bigger and better.
Whats Verizons total investment so far in Fios?
Hob -- "A foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds." - Ralph Waldo Emerson
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 |  |  |  Tigerpaw509 Premium join:2006-07-15 Huntley, IL | americast didnt fail under ameritech it was sold of by sbc because they didnt believe in catv.As far as using copper and ftth......its a insane idea | |
|  |  |   en102 Canadian, eh?
join:2001-01-26 Valencia, CA | Re: good article, thanks for the answers I agree... AT&T hasn't futureproofed... lets all hope that this is a launch to get them into the market, and they upgrade as needed (or can afford to). -- Canada = Hollywood North | |
|  Fisamo Premium join:2004-02-20 Apex, NC
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| Agreed--great article!
So here's the question: Do you go for the whole enchilada at once a la Verizon (FTTH right away), or part-way today, the rest of the way later (FTTN)? Clearly, ATT has chosen the latter strategy. Time will tell if it's the best approach. It's probably more expensive in the long run but less risky.
Would I get U-Verse? I don't know yet. As a resident of a Raleigh suburb, it doesn't look like I'll have the opportunity to make that decision for quite a while yet. Ultimately, it depends on the packages and prices offered, what TWCNC offers at that time, etc. Right now, we're in a TWC 'grey hole' where we have broadband, but it's only 5M/384k for standard service and 8M/512k for "RR Premium". If U-verse, at 6M down (not sure what upload is rated at), provides dedicated bandwidth(as opposed to a potentially-oversold cable node) and the price is right, such service wouldn't be 'mediocre' around here...  | |
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1 edit | Internet Speeds I love how he dodged the internet speed question and instead talked about the modem's sync speeds.
So what, my modem is seeing max sync rates of 105Mb/s (at 671ft from the DSLAM) and is currently synced at the standard cap of 27Mb/s. That isn't for internet, but for TV, internet, and soon to be VoIP as well. I feel he didn't really answer the question very well... | |
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join:2002-01-17 Dallas, TX
1 edit | Re: Internet Speeds said by koolkid1563 : I feel he didn't really answer the question very well... He did answer the question... is his corporate hypocritical way.
as the company wants to create "a consistent user experience across the board," according to Warnock.
which means that FTTP/FTTH customers will get the same crappy service as FTTN customers and people syncing 100mbps will will get the same crappy service as the poor souls syncing 27mbps. | |
|  |  |  vinnie97
join:2003-12-05 Mesquite, TX 1 edit | Re: Internet Speeds Yep, everyone is lowest common denominated, excellent.
Keep it up, by the way, Comcast Rick. I look forward to the day AT&T finally gets a clue.  | |
|  ace1974
join:2007-06-09 Goldsboro, NC
| We Will See I think Uverse is doing pretty well in my opinion. For a Telco company to come out with this technology I think isn't that bad at all. Their gonna have to do a little more homework on this Uverse to be cutting edge but im sure AT&T will spend the money to do it unlike Comcrap.. AT&T's numbers are gaining ground at a very fast pace in the market being that it's a new technology for them..I think for now that Comcrap needs to worry about their true competition (SATELLITE TV). Thats who's taking their meat and potatoes...
It's strange that people always mention how AT&T are losing landline customers but fail to mention that comcast are bleeding customers like a bad cyst to satellite service. | |
|  |   Rick Premium,MVM join:2001-02-06 Waterbury, CT clubs: 
| Re: We Will See Satellite has been around a LONG time now. Given that, overall, the cable co's have lost a pretty small percentage of customers to them despite their overall lower cost.
Why? I think convenience is one big reason. It's certainly easier to deal with a cable line coming out of a wall than a dish.
Another reason is there are many people who live in Apts or other dwellings where they don't even have the option to go with satellite..even if they wanted to.
One thing that has certainly helped the satellite providers is the telcos beginning to cross sell their products. But, we all know the only reason they do that is because they don't have a TV product of their own..for the most part.
While granted, I'll agree with you that perhaps the last couple of years have seen more and more satellite customers..will that continue to be the case? As verizon and AT&T move into their own products..they'll certainly market satellite less. Also, cable has what satellite will never have, in terms of being able to bundle voip and HSI.
Don't get me wrong. I think it's good that there is this choice. And, I know that some people swear by their satellite service and I don't take anything away from them for feeling that way.
But it's no where near the threat that voip is for the telco's and their landlines. And, the cable industry is losing nowhere near those kinds of numbers..which seem to escalate more and more every quarter.
The landline business is being attacked by voip..by cell providers..and by dialup customers cancelling their second lines.
That business is in some real trouble. -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
|   BillRoland Premium join:2001-01-21 Ocala, FL clubs:
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| Give me a break AT&T: who are you trying to fool? U-Verse is hardly revolutionary. Lets see; fiber to the node, copper into the home. I do believe cable came up with that about 15 years ago. Cox is already pumping 12Mbps (and PowerBoosts to 20+Mbps)/1Mbps into my house, and I can have 100 different HD "streams" going at the same time.
Face the music, U-Verse is a "me too" service that's years behind the cable FTTN model its trying to imitate. That's pretty sad. -- "Don't steal. The government hates competition."
Fred Thompson For President 2008 »www.imwithfred.com | |
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| I don't see why U-Verse is so special Even if this service was available to me at this moment. I wouldn't even get a smirk on my face cause it's nothing to be excited about.
Why on earth would a at&t believe people want cable internet speeds on 2+ yrs ago? I'm interested in Fios , unfortunately I will never see it cause I'm not a Verizon Customer for phone.
Maybe someday they will get smart and see spending money now will pay off in the future. | |
|  |  charterbites
join:2005-11-19 Covington, LA
| Re: I don't see why U-Verse is so special It reminds me of road repair and expansion. If they have two lanes and need four the build four BUT..... when they finally build the four lanes traffic has grown to the the point they now need SIX! Why not just build 12 and be done with it,
JMHO | |
|  ace1974
join:2007-06-09 Goldsboro, NC
| Look At The Numbers Look at the quarterly and Yearly earnings by AT&T. That tells all.. You could take every cable company across america and merge them all together and they still wouldnt be as big as AT&T..LOL!! There are a few rather large cable outfits mainly time warner and comcast but Telco's are MASSIVE!!. NO CABLE COMPANY CAN TAKE DOWN TELCO..Please understand that. The only organization that can do that is the government and I dont see that happening in your life time or the next...Oh yeah I hate to dissapoint but Docsis 3.0 wont do it either..124 million customers strong and counting.. 24 billion dollars in earnings and both the earnings and customer base is growing faster than cable.. | |
|  |   Rick Premium,MVM join:2001-02-06 Waterbury, CT clubs: 
| Re: Look At The Numbers Then why not spend a little of those earnings to build a network that is competitive for the future?
CLEARLY..Uverse is a questionable service at best. I mean, everywhere I go on the net where it's being discussed it's often times talked about in less than glowing terms.
Is that what AT&T wants? Is that a product that's going to sell in big numbers? I don't think so.
And again, you need to understand that that is what is happening TODAY. And uverse..for all intents and purposes..is AT&T's NEXT generation service. Which is why I compare it to Verizons FIOS and cables docsis 3.0.
And, when you put it under that microscope..it simply falls apart. There is no comparison at all.
Honestly, I think it's a fair comparison to say that uverse will be a 386sx computer in a world of quad core systems.
And, we all know how that one went..don't we?
The sad thing about AT&T IMHO is their apparent inability to have very much vision for the future. They've been so damn concerned with growth via acquiring other companies and returning the almighty dollars to their bottom line, that everything else seems to just not really matter.
A poster above said that what at&t is now doing is what the cable co's did over 10 years ago. And, they are exactly right. This company is WAY behind the cable industry.
Why not future proof their network and do it right for a change? We who live in their territory deserve the same thing that Verizon customers are now getting.
World class competition.
AT&T can do it. And must do it to survive. -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
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| Re: Look At The Numbers Rick, do you realize your on a DOCSIS network, sharing a collective 38 mbps bandwidth with at lease 100 other people?
Do the math. 38 mbps / 100 users = .38 mbps per user ratio. And that is only with 100 people, its likely much higher.
Now do the same for U-verse. Oh wait, it's not shared until it gets to the VRAD, and there is at least 2.4 - 10 gbps there.
100 users x 6 mbps = 600 mbps.
Ok, lets do DOCSIS 3:
160 Mbps / 100 users = 1.6 Mbps collectively each.
and a double wide DOCSIS 3 channel:
320 Mbps / 100 users = 3.2 Mbps collectively each.
Even with U-verses 6 mbps per consumer, they still have collective access to nearly 2-4x the bandwidth as a DOCSIS 3 node with 100 people on it.
I can't argue that 6mbps is faster than a cable docsis node giving users 5-20 mbps of burst traffic, since not everyone is online at one time, but the combined resources available on a docsis network is considerably less than a U-verse node.
You act as if 6 mbps is the end all for U-verse, but it's only the beginning. Comcast didn't start off by giving it's users 20 mbps. They started at only 1.5 mbps or less. In time, U-verses capacity will really be put into full swing. After they get things running smoothly, and any issues worked out, they will start pair bonding, which will deliver anywhere from 50-60 mbps to long reach homes, and 100-200 mbps to closer homes. And if 2 pairs isn't enough, then bond 3 or 4 pairs. By that time, AT&T will be able to offer faster internet packages, such as 25 mbps or 50 mbps, or even 100 mbps and beyond. And unlike a cable DOCSIS 3 node, it has gigabits of available capacity at the VRAD, instead of just 160 mbps on a cable node.
I love cable technology just as much as you Rick, and I believe in the technology. But until the cable companies drop the analog channels which chew up 80% or so of the bandwidth available on the coax, AT&T will simply have more bandwidth available for two way data than a cable node has. They may not be giving users the raw bandwidth you want now, but trust me, it will come, their network is very capable of delivering it. | |
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| Rick, do you realize your on a DOCSIS network, sharing a collective 38 mbps bandwidth with at lease 100 other people?
Do the math. 38 mbps / 100 users = .38 mbps per user ratio. And that is only with 100 people, its likely much higher.
Now do the same for U-verse. Oh wait, it's not shared until it gets to the VRAD, and there is at least 2.4 - 10 gbps there.
100 users x 6 mbps = 600 mbps.
Ok, lets do DOCSIS 3:
160 Mbps / 100 users = 1.6 Mbps collectively each.
and a double wide DOCSIS 3 channel:
320 Mbps / 100 users = 3.2 Mbps collectively each.
Even with U-verses 6 mbps per consumer, they still have collective access to nearly 2-4x the bandwidth as a DOCSIS 3 node with 100 people on it.
I can't argue that 6mbps is faster than a cable docsis node giving users 5-20 mbps of burst traffic, since not everyone is online at one time, but the combined resources available on a docsis network is considerably less than a U-verse node.
You act as if 6 mbps is the end all for U-verse, but it's only the beginning. Comcast didn't start off by giving it's users 20 mbps. They started at only 1.5 mbps or less. In time, U-verses capacity will really be put into full swing. After they get things running smoothly, and any issues worked out, they will start pair bonding, which will deliver anywhere from 50-60 mbps to long reach homes, and 100-200 mbps to closer homes. And if 2 pairs isn't enough, then bond 3 or 4 pairs. By that time, AT&T will be able to offer faster internet packages, such as 25 mbps or 50 mbps, or even 100 mbps and beyond. And unlike a cable DOCSIS 3 node, it has gigabits of available capacity at the VRAD, instead of just 160 mbps on a cable node.
I love cable technology just as much as you Rick, and I believe in the technology. But until the cable companies drop the analog channels which chew up 80% or so of the bandwidth available on the coax, AT&T will simply have more bandwidth available for two way data than a cable node has. They may not be giving users the raw bandwidth you want now, but trust me, it will come, their network is very capable of delivering it. | |
|  Dreven
join:2006-11-05 Keller, TX
| You know... I'll say it again.
You guys still look at things like 99% of the US population is exactly they same as us. But it's the opposite. For 99% of the US population a 1.5Mb/s DSL line would be far MORE broadband than they need or would ever use and Uverse as it exists right now is more than 99% of the population would want to have.
Hell, my mother and grandparents are still on old fashion air TV and the could care less about cable type TV service. I can only guess that less than 5% of the adult population would care about getting even one HD stream.
What AT&T is doing is probably much smarter on the business end than FIOS. They can build out quickly and cheaply and then slowly upgrade to fiber-to-the-curb for everyone. | |
|  |  ncbill Premium join:2007-01-23 Winston Salem, NC
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| Re: You know... Yep, plenty of us don't need 6 or even 3 meg.
I moved down from 6 meg cable to 768KB DSL because I'm cheap!
$45/month versus $10/month (price fixed through 12/2009)
I can even use Unbox, as long as I let the movies download overnight.
And here at least anything running on phone lines has significantly better uptime than cable (underground vs. aerial?)
I'm moving everyone I can from cable or dialup to $10 DSL. | |
|  |   Neyland85
join:2003-02-04 North Augusta, SC | It's good for as long as those who provide content determine it to be. | |
|  Gilitar
join:2000-11-20 Mobile, AL 2 edits | Very well written. THANK YOU! This is the best written article that I have read here at BBR.
Thanks for taking the time to ask those questions on behalf of us members. You guys rock! | |
|   Iknowenuff
join:2001-06-28 Riverside, CA
| 6meg connection Rick if your not an employee you should apply for a job. I'm happy for you and your 30meg connection if it makes you happy. But like many have said before, those on BBR are not representative of the nation as a whole. My mother, sister, cousin, and many friends wouldn't know the difference in your speed from 1.5meg. as long as they can get on myspace, yahoo, and youtube, they dont care. 6meg is more than enough for grandma and grandpa to send me pictures. And I have seen U-verse in action. Tell me that comcast is offering a beter TV product with more features (they don't) and then we will talk. according to your post history, comcast can do no wrong and AT&T does no right. And yet they make billions per year (billions more than comcast). You are FANBOY Fantastic. Comcast should mail you a check. | |
|  |  ace1974
join:2007-06-09 Goldsboro, NC
1 edit | Re: 6meg connection I dont know what this guy's problem is,,he has a serious hard on for AT&T. Rick stop trying to impose your belief system and what you think will happen to AT&T on everyone on this board and stick to the facts. Fact of the matter is if you look around at the posts your really alone in this matter about what you think about AT&T. So that means when it comes to AT&T your opinion amounts to ZERO!!!..Hey why dont you go apply for a job at AT&T for a director of inside facilities,,THATS A MORE TECHNICAL TERM FOR A JANITOR...Then after you get the job we'll have you transfer your service to Uverse and only then will I think you would be happy with AT&T | |
|  |  |   Rick Premium,MVM join:2001-02-06 Waterbury, CT clubs: 
| Re: 6meg connection I see that the "Rick has made a post at BBR so everyone pile on him at once who wants to save their uverse jobs"..alarm has gone off at AT&T's Uverse Headquarters...Watch Rick division.
Nice job! -- The Coyote captured the RR! Roadrunner Rick is now Comcastic! | |
|  |   Rick Premium,MVM join:2001-02-06 Waterbury, CT clubs: 
1 edit | said by Iknowenuff :Rick if your not an employee you should apply for a job. you know what? Honestly, I think you're right. Sitting here as a comcast customer it's dawned on me that I think this is the most exciting company with the brightest prospects that perhaps i've ever seen. And, if I can display this level of enthusiasm for them and their service, there's no telling how effective I could be as an employee.
I KNOW I could be one of their most effective employees they ever had, and one of their brightest stars to come around in a very long time.
I'm not sure where I could fit in, as I have no idea really of their corporate structure. I have a lot of upper level management experience however..across several industries.. and most recently, since retiring at a very young age several years ago (before 40 ..how's THAT for success eh? )..have worked pretty much part time in the computer tech support field. As the owner of my own small company.
And so, if any comcast people are reading this who can make something happen and want to discuss my qualifications further..I'd be MORE than happy to discuss it with you.
I mean, what the heck. We might as well just get this over with.
I'm available to work for Comcast if we can find the right fit.
And believe me. We'll rock the isp world!
I LOVE YOU COMCAST!! Get in touch with me!
~Rick

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|   fiber_man Things Happen For A Reason Premium join:2001-01-27 Port Saint Lucie, FL
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| Gpon-future proofing Hey Rick. One question have you ever heard or looked into a pon network. If you had you would realize that FTTN can very easily be expanded to a Gpon network in the future with a lot less cost. Getting fiber to the nodes that are within 5000 feet of every customer is a HUGE undertaking that you do not understand. Building backbones is just the first step in the grand scheme of things. These things take time and money plus a lot of hard work by many different departments. Think about how long it took to build out the cable systems network and/or the bell (telephone) systems. They did not happen over night. Years and years of people working in all kinds of weather to design,place and splice these networks. -- GO NOLES!! | |
|   whywhywhy
@fanstogether.com | uverse why are people anxious to get this? i hope its so that the incumbent cable companies will lower prices because the uverse product is sh*t ! | |
|  |   a333 A hot cup of integrals please
join:2007-06-12 Corona, NY | Re: uverse no point getting comcraptic service that screws bottorrents tp like.....5 KB/sec. | |
|   Filbbetigibbet
@lmco.com
| Fiber rollout in Atlanta burbs Just a bit of intel here... painted-over BellSouth trucks (now AT&T) have been putting down fiber all over Smyrna, GA (which ironically was one of the very first sites for fiber voice lines nearly 30 years ago) residential areas over the last few weeks. There's so much bright-orange spray paint across people's lawns, you'd think the whole town has been taken over by Tennessee Vols fans. | |
|   scmdslguy28
join:2004-02-26 Columbus, GA
·Knology
| When will fiber hit BellSouth region Does anyone have any idea of when AT & T U-Verse will hit the BellSouth region? I have heard rumors that it will hit the Atlanta area by the end of the year or early next year. Does anyone know if all of Georgia will get U-Verse or will it be just major metro areas in Georgia? I would love to have fiber for my internet speed but unfortunately I am in an area that does not have fiber optic internet service as of yet. I live in Columbus, Georgia currently. Thanks for all of your help! | |
|  alfnoid Premium,MVM join:2002-02-18 | When will they come to the BS areas? "We'll be entering the Atlanta market by the end of this year."
They are hiring for it now if you can navigate their job postings. | |
|  |  lew_jean
join:2005-05-13 Marietta, GA | Re: When will they come to the BS areas? they are starting to instal the equipment up on Black Jack Mt in Marietta, I was talking to them last week and was told I would have it by the end of Nov 07 | |
|  jxs0900
join:2007-10-30 Maylene, AL
| I HATE AT&T and BellSouth!!! I have been waiting for over a year to get DSL. The whole time new neighbors have moved in and are able to get DSL within a week. I'm sick of hearing the switch on my block is full and then seeing the millions they are spending on other crap. They new how big the neighborhood was when they put their stupid equipment in. On top of that the suck A S S cable company won't run a F U C K I N G cable 40 feet down my G O D D A M N street. I am talking about a neighborhood with at least 300 houses and every F U C K I N G B O D Y around me has either DSL or Cable. It isn't fair. Every option I've looked at is a bust. | |
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