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Slow deployment, credit issues, and looming LTE threat ahoy...
(old news - 11:57AM Tuesday Mar 03 2009)
tags: competition · business · wireless · alternatives · Clearwire
Deployment delays, a tight credit market, and mounting pressure from LTE competition (or more accurately LTE marketing) have eroded Clearwire's stock price 40% over the last three months. That's not good news for a company that has repeatedly stated they were going to revolutionize the broadband industry, yet has struggled to get the technology commercially launched in any city not named Baltimore and Portland. It's also not particularly good news for Mobile WiMax, once hailed by Intel as "the most important thing since the Internet itself."

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When first announced, Sprint and Clearwire's Mobile WiMax joint venture received a $3.2 billion cash infusion from Comcast ($1.05 billion), Intel ($1 billion), Time Warner Cable ($550 million), Google ($500 million), and Bright House Networks ($100 million.) According to Bloomberg, Clearwire's sagging stock price has triggered a clause in investor contracts that this week boosted their ownership stake in the new project.

Primary investor Intel last month went into damage control mode, telling every reporter who'd listen that WiMax is doing just fine -- and that at least globally, the technology will reach 800 million people by 2010. Analysts saw decent growth in '08 but are issuing warnings for '09. A report from Infonetics Research says the Mobile WiMax market will be "leaner" in 2009. "Nortel has exited, Alcatel-Lucent has transitioned its mobility R&D to its LTE program, and others will have their commitment to WiMAX tested," says analyst Richard Webb.

A speedier deployment could help shore up the project's sagging image, but the company needs an additional $2 billion to $2.3 billion to fully build the network, and the company has hinted that tight credit could push some markets scheduled for a 2009 launch into 2010. Employees have hinted to us privately that a number of new launch markets are very close, with March 5 (this Thursday) referenced as a date to watch. That date may be Clearwire's long-awaited Chicago market launch -- assuming it's not delayed.

Every delay plays into the hands of AT&T and Verizon. While their LTE wireless broadband deployments are still several years away, the carriers benefit from Clearwire stumbling out of the gate, which is creating the perception (accurately or not) that the carrier may not be the game-changing contender it originally portrayed itself to be.

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RadioDoc
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A leaky boat in high seas...

Right now it looks like Clearwire will get a couple more markets lit and then flail around hoping Intel or another sucker bails them out (again). They just don't have the resources to pull it off, and he fact that their target market is vague isn't helping any.

funchords
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It's a shame, too

It's here, it works. What is this LTE stuff and where can I get it today? No thanks. WiMax is here, it works, even at 60 MPH, it works.

Yesterday, on Clear's WiMax, I was watching the Today Show podcast from msnbc.com when I paused it to then watch the Madoff segment of 60-minutes from cbsnews.com. Stuff like that tends to bring Verizon EDVO to its knees. I couldn't even surf on AT&T's 3G HSPDEFG when I tried it.

Intel is a great company (disclosure: former employer) who does have a tendency to exit businesses when its future starts to looks bleak. But even in these hard times, Clear is where Intel is. It must see a future.

Of course you could do a side-by-side comparison -- except you can't, since LTE is vaporware here.
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mobbo

join:2005-04-13
Denton, TX
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Re: It's a shame, too

Yup. It works. Our company is using it for our construction trailers at 3 sites now, and it's just like having DSL/Cable but without the hassle of a line being run to those temp sites.

I will say though that they really need to start rolling out more markets ASAP! We're only using them here while it's being tested.
RadioDoc
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WiMax is vaporware everywhere except, it seems, where you are. The so-called deployment here in Chicagoland is MIA. Careful where you point that hyperbole.

Matt
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Re: It's a shame, too

said by RadioDoc See Profile :

WiMax is vaporware everywhere except, it seems, where you are. The so-called deployment here in Chicagoland is MIA. Careful where you point that hyperbole.
MOBILE WiMax is, Clearwire has offered pre-WiMAX for several years in lots of places. »www.clearwire.com/store/service_areas.php

ninjatutle
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Funny how they are nowhere but they have a vocal following here on BBR. Everytime theres an article about WIMAX. People come out of the woodworks calling LTE vaporware

This is why I'm on HSPDA 3G. Because there is service.

Matt
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Re: It's a shame, too

said by ninjatutle See Profile :

Funny how they are nowhere but they have a vocal following here on BBR. Everytime theres an article about WIMAX. People come out of the woodworks calling LTE vaporware

This is why I'm on HSPDA 3G. Because there is service.
WiMAX as a technology is superior in every way to HSDPA 3G and EVDO Rev A. I think that's why there is a vocal following. If I had a choice between Mobile WiMax or any other currently offered service, I'd take mobile WiMax. That may change when LTE arrives, but that has yet to be seen.

The only thing, as you mentioned, that EVDO and HSDPA have going for them is deployment. However, how long did it take to get deployed to the level it is now? 10 years? How long as Mobile WiMax been around, 1 year -- in a crappy economy.

Regardless, having WiMax as competition is a good thing, no matter what you think of the technology or the company behind it. Or would you prefer to have two choices for mobile broadband, AT&T and Verizon? They've totally proven they are competitive haven't they?

ninjatutle
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Re: It's a shame, too

WiiMAX is a glorified WIFI network while LTE is 4G. Thats the difference.

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Re: It's a shame, too

said by ninjatutle See Profile :

WiiMAX is a glorified WIFI network while LTE is 4G. Thats the difference.
Thanks for that factual comparison. I'm sure you answered a lot of doubts people had about the two. Kudos!

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said by ninjatutle See Profile :

WiiMAX is a glorified WIFI network while LTE is 4G. Thats the difference.
Wow. Given this technical assessment, you have a bright future career in a broadband marketing department.
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DaveNJ
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Well that fact is that LTE will be an international standard, does help. Also HSDPA, HSPA, UMTS is part of the upgrade path to LTE. So you could say Wimax and LTE are at concurrent growth since Wimax is still beta, and LTE is still UMTS, and hasnt moved to LTE fully yet..

funchords
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Re: It's a shame, too

Educate me, because I don't know, is WiMax not a standard? What is this pre-Wimax stuff that Clear/Xohm's non-pre WiMax replaces?
bac522

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An international standard that the big carriers control...IE...monopoly!

DaveNJ
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Re: It's a shame, too

said by bac522 See Profile :

An international standard that the big carriers control...IE...monopoly!
Sprint isnt a big nationwide carrier ? How is up to seven choices in a market = monopoly. LTE or any other standard is not more or less under a carriers control then others. WI-MAX and GSM are synonymous according to you..

rf_engineer

join:2003-08-04
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said by funchords See Profile :

It's here, it works. What is this LTE stuff and where can I get it today? No thanks. WiMax is here, it works, even at 60 MPH, it works.

Yesterday, on Clear's WiMax, I was watching the Today Show podcast from msnbc.com when I paused it to then watch the Madoff segment of 60-minutes from cbsnews.com. Stuff like that tends to bring Verizon EDVO to its knees. I couldn't even surf on AT&T's 3G HSPDEFG when I tried it.

Intel is a great company (disclosure: former employer) who does have a tendency to exit businesses when its future starts to looks bleak. But even in these hard times, Clear is where Intel is. It must see a future.

Of course you could do a side-by-side comparison -- except you can't, since LTE is vaporware here.
Working at 60 MPH is great, if you have multiple sites that you can handoff between...otherwise you have to drive in a circle around the one WiMax site

EVDO quality varies. I've used it in the hinterlands here in PA to watch live video with no problem. In some areas here where there are more deer than people you can get full signal strength and 1.5 Mbps. Clearwire doesn't show any dots in the state. Wimax modems here make good bookends. LTE may be vaporware from your perspective, but the carriers that have announced their adoption of it have the funding to do it and already have extensive 3G coverage well beyond anything WiMax has. If you think they're not going to make the transition to 4G sometime, note that there was a 1G, 2G, and 3G.

pnh102
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First Problem Clearwire Needs To Solve ...

Who?

DaveNJ
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Re: First Problem Clearwire Needs To Solve ...

Sprint buying Clearwire, was like Trapper Keeper eating Rosi Odonnel. Its just made it sick and weak. Sprint still hasnt figured out how resell itself as an LTE, transition carrier, to both ATT and Verizon. But go boldly to nowhere.

MooJohn

join:2005-12-18
Milledgeville, GA
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Second verse, same as the first

Since this same story pops up every week, I'd like clarification on a couple of points.

1) What stock hasn't dropped a great deal in the last three months? With today's stock market it's certain that any company will have trouble raising capital. You could say the same about the rest of the tech industry -- it just wouldn't be as sensational.

2) Why is it assumed that they're "struggling" to deploy in other cities? It's stated as if they're running into some sort of delay from their original schedule. I haven't seen any release where Clearwire has said X city was to be live now but has been delayed.

When I said "the same story" appears, I meant it literally. I think the third paragraph was cut and pasted from last week's buzz on the same topic.

We get it: WiMax is rolling out slowly. LTE (which isn't anywhere ) is somehow the "right" way to go and any other format is doomed to failure.

BTW - There's been no delay announced for Clearwire's deployment here in Milledgeville, GA (muni-wi project). Sure it's a small town that won't change anything in the big picture but we'll be enjoying 4G while LTE "struggles" to hit the market.
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Richard B
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LTE Vaporware

I had Clear knocking on my door and accosting me at Best Buy. Why are they losing to something that is not even deployed yet.
My suggestion is the following stop competing on speed, face it Comcast and Verizon got you beat. Lower prices and go with value. The reason I did not go with clear wire was I could not justify paying $41.00 for 6Mbps when I am getting 12Mbps from Comcast for about the same prince.
wayne8888

join:2005-10-16
Baltimore, MD
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Re: LTE Vaporware

As a XOHM (Clear) early adopter, one of the things that got me to drop the much faster Comcast was cost. I have the WiMax home modem and being a quarter mile away from coverage don't even get 6 mbps »www.speedtest.net/result/422205142.png. When comparing Comcast or Verizon or other DSL it is important to remember that a person who does not bundle cable TV or landline phone must then compare the clear/XOHM WiMax price with standalone Cable Internet or Dry-loop DSl. That $42.95 for Comcast high speed internet becomes $57.95 to $59.95 without the TV bundle. So since I opted for Directv (due to the vast number of HD stations compared to Comcast), I am really comparing $35 per month (after 6 months of $25 per month) with XOHM for 3-5mbps to nearly $60 for up to 12/2 service (in areas upgraded from 6/1 service) with Comcast. I must admit I was on the verge of quitting XOHM last week because I have seen no movement to fully cover Baltimore City (much less Chicago etc.). I have been a quarter mile (a few blocks) away from full coverage since early October in my northern Baltimore City neighborhood. So if Comcast ever gets a more compelling HD TV lineup (leading it to be a more attractive bundling candidate) or if FIOS ever makes it into B'more City, XOHM would be history with me unless they increase their speeds dramatically.
Wayne

Richard B
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Re: LTE Vaporware

Yes I forgot to add in the bundle price but still 12Mbs with basic cable seems to work out for me. I consider local TV a little extra benefit (good for local traffic and weather.
bac522

join:2003-08-04
Manchester, NH

Everyone should be voting for WiMAX to win...

One thing many people fail to realize is that WiMAX is a standards base technology. Sure a lot of people seem to associate WiMAX with Intel...they just got the ball rolling, but it was the IEEE that finalized the technology and that means anyone can deploy it and anyone can make products for it...just like WiFI...and when you have multiple vendors, making multiple products its a win-win for the consumer, because this drives prices down.

WiMAX is just like Ethernet and WiFI...an OPEN STANDARD allowing not just the big guys to deploy it, but many of the small guys to deploy. Open standard also means that eventually you'll be able to use any one's WiMAX CPE/mobile device with anyone's WiMAX network. Sure some vendors might charge you do so, but others may let you do it for free...much like wifi hotspots of today.

LTE on the other hand is really billed as a carrier's technology and for the most part is a closed standard...that's bad because at the end of the day you only have a subset of manufactures making products for a subset of carriers who get to chose what products you can and can't use on their network...pretty much the cell phone model all over again...and who like that model??? Contracts, limited choice of phones...blah blah blah.

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Re: Everyone should be voting for WiMAX to win...

said by bac522 See Profile.pretty much the cell phone model all over again...and who like that model??? Contracts, limited choice of phones...blah blah blah.
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There is limited choice on GSM phones? I think there are about 1000 choices.
b10010011
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Why do they try to compete...

in areas already covered by several providers?

In my area we have people in the rural areas screaming for Clearwire since their only other choice for broadband is satellite.

Yet Clearwire barely covers the city limits and they have to compete with cable, dsl, and 3G providers.

Clearwire would pretty much have a captive audience if they would leave the cities to the big guys and cover the countryside.

looneyben

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Doesn't matter what side of the fence you reside

Both techs will be deployed and usable in some areas within 18 months. Clear will have 10 markets commercially broadcasting mobile wimax in the US by 4th quarter 2009, probably have a series of "market launches" starting this May with Atlanta. LTE should see deployments starting early 2010. I know many Americans don't see past their own front doors, but WiMax is already a living, breathing creature outside our borders. Korea's WiBRO, deployments in India, the middle east, and south america are already humming along. Of course some will say that these facts along with the spectrum use problems (weaker indoor RF penetration)make WiMAX more of a developing country or "out in the boonies" service provider. I guess that is in the eye of the beholder but the main thing that causes WiMAX to be a good choice for Mobile Data is the channel width, up to 256 carrier channels per sector with the current standards allows for much more data traffic and improved RF channel reuse within a market to help eliminate co-channel interference. More than anything on the MHz spectrum Verizon will use for LTE. This means more data up and down the pipe by more people with less bad things happening. The fact that Clear will use a microwave back-haul on the towers connected by fiber to their Agg pops and DIA's means that deployments will cost much less than running more T1's (AT&Ts current HSDPA+ method) or Fiber(Verizon) which keeps the cost down for the end users. But LTE will already have an infrastructure in place, and the only thing needed will be equipment replacements at the tower and with the end user so it will be pretty easy to adapt to for most users... either way it will be a fun ride and anyone that enjoys technology should be licking their chops, not bickering.
patcat88

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Re: Doesn't matter what side of the fence you reside

said by looneyben :

Both techs will be deployed and usable in some areas within 18 months. Clear will have 10 markets commercially broadcasting mobile wimax in the US by 4th quarter 2009, probably have a series of "market launches" starting this May with Atlanta. LTE should see deployments starting early 2010. I know many Americans don't see past their own front doors, but WiMax is already a living, breathing creature outside our borders. Korea's WiBRO, deployments in India, the middle east, and south america are already humming along.
Keep drinking the Kool-Aid buddy. None of the WiMax systems you mentioned can use each others equipment, base or mobile station wise. Different revisions by WiMax Committee and proprietary single manufacturer protocol addons that exist only in a single chipset, and different spectrum, and not accepting MACs of devices they didn't sell.
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