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| Re: TWC is supposedly killing PEG The article says that TWC will not have to support production of the channel. It does not say that TWC is going to get rid of the channel. | |
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| hit the content owners then if you notice that even in areas where cable fights fios its strictly the TV rates that see constant climbs while data and digital phone hold steady. part of this is things like Disney wanting even more money per customer to carry ESPN(one of the most costly basic cable channels). the the providers certainly are not innocent in this matter, but the fact TV goes up and internet doesnt says something. comcast is doubling speed from 6 to 12 and it stays 42.95. so some blame does lay with the content conglomerates. -- [65 Arcanist]Filan(High Elf) Zone: Broadband Reports | |
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| Re: hit the content owners then and the government has what say so to the media companies that own the channels? NONE. You are free to go else where for your TV needs and so are the cableTV providers. But lets face it, the government has no control over Disney ABC, Comcast Media, The Big Ten Network, ViaCom, Fox (except for local channels like Lin TV).
So what is going after Disney going to do? Not a damn thing except cost more money going to court when they're sued and the tax payers pay more. | |
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| Re: hit the content owners then said by hottboiinnc :and the government has what say so to the media companies that own the channels? NONE. Untrue, the government has complete control over copyright law that all of the media companies depend on and the government can represent the people rather than corporations for a change and make bundling illegal anytime it wants to. | |
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| Re: hit the content owners then just because the own the copy right doesnt mean the can just take the copyright away.
if the Feds ever took away copyrighting they would be sued beyond what the gov't could ever pay.
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1 edit | Re: hit the content owners then said by hottboiinnc :if the Feds ever took away copyrighting they would be sued beyond what the gov't could ever pay. The government doesn't have to take copyright away, they just have to make it a condition of copyright that bundling is illegal. The Constitution gives Congress the power to make laws that promote the arts ands sciences (such as copyright) but it doesn't preclude Congress from making bundling cable channels illegal. BTW the government can even make it impossible to win a lawsuit against the government. | |
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| said by Kearnstd :if you notice that even in areas where cable fights fios its strictly the TV rates that see constant climbs while data and digital phone hold steady. part of this is things like Disney wanting even more money per customer to carry ESPN(one of the most costly basic cable channels). the the providers certainly are not innocent in this matter, but the fact TV goes up and internet doesnt says something. comcast is doubling speed from 6 to 12 and it stays 42.95. so some blame does lay with the content conglomerates. It is the iron control that the few major entertainment companies have on all forms of TV & Movies that keep these rates high. If the FCC wants to do something to bring down cable TV rates, that is where they should start. -- My BLOG .. .. Internet News .. .. My Web Page Ask yourself one question: 'Do I feel lucky?' Well, do ya punk? | |
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| Re: hit the content owners then said by LiamJunket :It is the iron control that the few major entertainment companies have on all forms of TV & Movies that keep these rates high. If the FCC wants to do something to bring down cable TV rates, that is where they should start. absolutely agree. but I would also like them to look at why an HD DVR rental would increase $2/mo. - I have the same box I had last year and there is absolutely no reason I can think of to justify an increase except comcast wants more money. | |
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| Re: hit the content owners then said by nasadude :absolutely agree. but I would also like them to look at why an HD DVR rental would increase $2/mo. - I have the same box I had last year and there is absolutely no reason I can think of to justify an increase except comcast wants more money. Ok here's two:
1. The content providers citing the increased use of DVRs taking away ad revenue since customers can record their shows and fast forward through commercials.
2. Comcast not wanting to implement the content provider-suggested technology that prevents the FF feature from working on certain channels in exchange for lower rates for their content.
Does Comcast want more money? Sure. Don't we all? They also do not want to make less money providing the same content the majority scream about if taken away.
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1 edit | Agree. The content owners are the one's raping us and raising rates and dictating what tiers their channels fall on. BigTen and NFL networks come to mind. It'll get worse before it gets better.
I think the big problem in some of these cases IS the competition. hear me out....for example here in Columbus, Big10 network comes to town and wants ~$1.00/mo from EVERY subscriber on Time Warner's network. TW says no way (thankfully)...then WideOpenWest and other small guys see this as an opportunity and jump all over it advertising "Switch to us to get the Big10 network". TW is forced to cave in and ultimately those costs are passed on to us. The whole thing is a shame. | |
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| Re: hit the content owners then said by beaups :Agree. The content owners are the one's raping us and raising rates and dictating what tiers their channels fall on. BigTen and NFL networks come to mind. It'll get worse before it gets better. I think the big problem in some of these cases IS the competition. hear me out....for example here in Columbus, Big10 network comes to town and wants ~$1.00/mo from EVERY subscriber on Time Warner's network. TW says no way (thankfully)...then WideOpenWest and other small guys see this as an opportunity and jump all over it advertising "Switch to us to get the Big10 network". TW is forced to cave in and ultimately those costs are passed on to us. The whole thing is a shame. You do realize that Disney is charging nearly $5 for ESPN and ESPN2 yet you complain about 70 cents NFL Network wants. | |
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| Re: hit the content owners then It was just an example. I don't know what ESPN USED to charge...so I can't claim it has anything to do with a rate-hike. But the Big10 ransom is NEW...
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| Re: hit the content owners then said by beaups :It was just an example. I don't know what ESPN USED to charge...so I can't claim it has anything to do with a rate-hike. But the Big10 ransom is NEW... That said, if Big10 was WORTH $1.00 then Espn is worth $50 If ESPN and ESPN were moved to sports tier all you non sports customers would see a 10% rate reduction. | |
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| To be honest.... with the NFL channel being so specialized its only worth that $0.70 for 3 months out of the year when they run the (very few) exclusive games that have been pulled from the other networks that previously did.
So for the remaining 9 months of the year you're paying for a totally useless channel that does nothing but replay old games from 4 years ago and regurgitates the same sports stats that I can get online from a million other sources... the cost we pay for the time the channel is actually relevant is closer to $2.80/mo for the 3 months.
That's way too expensive for one football channel... and not worth passing on to all cable customers regardless if they're football fans or not. | |
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| BS competition does not lower prices never has,everything goes up in price.The only thing that will lower prices is regulation from the government to keep all these jackassses from wasting money on failed projects such as BPL.wimax,and whitespace will be the latest failed projects.stop wasting money on this shit and spend it on tech that works,and wire the whole country.there prob. has been enough money wasted to already have that,and then work on higher speed for all | |
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| Re: hit the content owners then said by anon14 :
BS competition does not lower prices never has,everything goes up in price.The only thing that will lower prices is regulation from the government to keep all these jackassses from wasting money on failed projects such as BPL.wimax,and whitespace will be the latest failed projects.stop wasting money on this shit and spend it on tech that works,and wire the whole country.there prob. has been enough money wasted to already have that,and then work on higher speed for all Good thing Verizon didn't listen to you there would be a hell of a lot of people without FIOS. Hell most of the country would still be on Dial-up. 
If the companies don't try these new technologies then how are they to know if they are bad or not? I remember when there was bitching about the cost of Fiber years ago. It's too brittle it will break easy stay with copper it's proven reliable. -- In need of a Vegas vacation.
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| said by Kearnstd :the fact TV goes up and internet doesnt says something. Because VIDEO subs subsidize HSI via higher rates. -- When I gez aju zavateh na nalechoo more new yonooz tonigh molinigh - Ken Lee | |
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| Leave to Beaver (the Government) Or, Government Knows Best. It is like a retarded old sitcom when the government meddles and fixed things. It usually results in untended consequences. Just wait until they get a hold of your health care! -- Great success! High five! | |
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| Re: Leave to Beaver (the Government) Umm, you can already see this in healthcare...
I just renewed my benefits for next year and I have to pay 100$ more for the "same" coverage where the only thing remaining "the same" is the name. They reduced coverage for things like emergency room from 100% to 90%. And I get to pay more for this privilege. -- Stupidity, like hydrogen, is one of the basic building blocks of the Universe.
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| said by morbo :said by needforspeed59 :Just wait until they get a hold of your health care! let's review why your comment is misguided: the "industry is more 'efficient' than government" folk have brought us the destruction of the U.S. economy, stock market, and a deep recession. but apparently government will REALLY mess things up. If you consider the CRA (Democratic idea) FORCED banks to loan $$ to people that had no way to afford it and that SOx (another government reg) has messed many businesses up, etc. Yeah, I'd say the government F's plenty up.
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| Re: Leave to Beaver (the Government) Short sighted greed got us where were are now.
Greed is good, it makes companies try to out-do one another. The issue we run into is that "management" no longer wants to steer private industry for long term benefits, they just want the quick buck because if they don't produce something huge every 3 months the "street" drops them. -- Stupidity, like hydrogen, is one of the basic building blocks of the Universe.
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| Re: Leave to Beaver (the Government) said by DaveNJ :Hint: When you are healthy government health care sounds great, when you are sick, its the worse then ever created. Oh look how that social security is doing. Remember if its you money you can take the risk, when its the government they wouldnt let you take that risk. And the private health care sounds great until the cost bankrupts you, and the health situation costs you your job and then your health insurance is terminated.
Then that "Govt. Plan" starts to look pretty damn good. -- "Fascism should more properly be called corporatism because it is the merger of state and corporate power." -- Benito Mussolini
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| Re: Leave to Beaver (the Government) said by KrK :said by DaveNJ :Hint: When you are healthy government health care sounds great, when you are sick, its the worse then ever created. Oh look how that social security is doing. Remember if its you money you can take the risk, when its the government they wouldnt let you take that risk. And the private health care sounds great until the cost bankrupts you, and the health situation costs you your job and then your health insurance is terminated. Then that "Govt. Plan" starts to look pretty damn good. There is already charity care, and medicare. So if your bankrupt there is always something. -- Say no to fear. Dont let anxiety crush your life. Live life free and unfettered.
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| said by needforspeed59 :Or, Government Knows Best. It is like a retarded old sitcom when the government meddles and fixed things. It usually results in untended consequences. Just wait until they get a hold of your health care! You ain't seen nothing until the Grand Socialist, err, Obama gets elected. Kiss your wallet, freedoms, and anything else good bye. | |
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| said by needforspeed59 : Just wait until they get a hold of your health care! Uh they did that already. Does HMO ring a bell. -- In need of a Vegas vacation.
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join:2002-01-22 00000 clubs: | "franchise reform" lies "franchise reform brings lower prices" lies brought to you by telco.
FUD on how a la carte will destroy tv brought to you by cableco. | |
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join:2006-01-02 San Ramon, CA | Re: "franchise reform" lies Just imagin how higher the Comcast cable bills would be without FiosTV or Uverse 
Their greed will catch up with them. | |
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join:2006-10-19 Lindenhurst, NY | hmm What these bills that helped verizon do fios did was just raise rates.
Evrizon sees it as if customers will pay that much for service why should we be left out of the profits. So they raise their rates also. | |
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| Re: hmm said by majortom1029 :What these bills that helped verizon do fios did was just raise rates. Evrizon sees it as if customers will pay that much for service why should we be left out of the profits. So they raise their rates also. If you think that rates would have stayed the same or gone down had u-verse or Fios not been allowed in those areas you are smoking some wild crack. Odds are rates would have gone up even MORE. | |
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| cherry picking will you people stop complaing about cherry picking? i bet you people would still be complaining if the picking of towns was completely random. companies that don't make sound decisions could be in a lot of hurt. does it really make sense to deploy fiber in a sparsely populated town? how about a town where the utilities are underground or behind houses (like where i live)? does it make sense to spend a lot of effort deploying fiber in a town where there are lots of apartment buildings knowing full well that it isn't known what the easiest/cheapest/fastest way to wire such a building is? sometimes i wonder if people have any concept of reality, basic concepts in running a business, or don't hate everything that isn't their way on this site. | |
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join:1999-09-01 New Jersey | remenber those people who said this would cure all I remember being attacked because i was pro-franchise, saying that Verizon or any other company would not deliver. The answer is shared central office. | |
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| For the last time, competition does not work... Say it with me - "COMPETITION DOES NOT WORK."
Think about it. I want to get into XYZ industry. I look around and the going rate for my service is $100 by the established player. I poke around at their financials and find out that gives them decent returns.
As a businessperson, why would I price myself at $75, make 3/4 as much on my return as my competitor? Why would I do that?
If nothing else, I'm going to start at $75 and raise my rates to what the other guy is charging. That way I can make those profits and be a good businessperson.
If you truly think competition brings about lower rates, you're crazy. Basic economic theory states that in order to maximize profit (the goal of EVERY FOR PROFIT BUSINESS) you charge as much as the market will bear. | |
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2 edits | Verizon's big chance to prove competition really works It's going to be interesting to see if Verizon will join the TV rates raising bandwagon. I wouldn't mind but they already charge enough, I feel,for many of the channels & packages they have added.
With the 100 HD channels, they basically packaged them as the Extreme HD package so their making more for that.
With the NHL Center Ice package, they rightfully charge separately for the package as not everyone wants to see all those hockey games.
In a case where the raised price is justified, I can see raising rates, whether its TV, internet or phone but it seems, to me anyway, that they are charging a fair price for all the services they currently offer. Consider too, that if they are fair with their pricing, not only may they win over the FCC & the government, but customers as well. Like the FCC & the government, we just want a fair and reasonable deal for services. | |
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| Content providers and channel bundling The issue is companies like Disney bundling channels. For example, they will increase the cost of lifetime channel or threaten to pull an ABC affiliate (many owned by Disney) or pull ESPN if a cable or Satelite does not want to pay the increased carriage of lifetime. So many channels that may not be that great are tied by other channels through bundling. Yes this could be called extortion. Disney has been known to even pull a ABC network from markets from cable companies not wanting to pay high increases in carriages. Bundling channels and carriage extortion should be regulated and not allowed.. period. Each channel should float or die on its own merit. And sports channels, viewed by a minority should be allowed to be dropped. Channels like ESPN have some of the highest's carriages and for the most part are subsidized by many who never watch them. Its almost impossible to sub to a tier without them.. unless you opt for the most basic tier which has almost nothing. | |
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Put the antenna back on your house. Digital has shown me the light!
Free HD TV over the air. No I'm not a luddite. Just tired of paying to watch commercials. I'm done with it! Don't miss it at all. | |
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| Force them to compete People like competition, so why bother with franchising laws? Do a la carte and make channels compete with one another.
Then again, that requires the FCC to also own up to it's part to play in the current situation, as well as Congress. Then again, they're also in the back pockets of the satellite and cable industry so really it's all just rhetoric anyways until some real changes are made to better the consumer's choices. -- Moore/Alexander 2008
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